Further developments regarding phone calls:

[grahameb]

Why would they not use their radios ?

And why did they need to use the phone. There were several police at the scene. Were they ordering a pizza ?

Don't ask me why they used the phone. But they did. Probably ran out of donuts.

[Adam]

You're the WORST offender for that!! Where is the link to the article you posted earlier? Just posting 'An interesting article' tells the reader nothing about where it came from or about who wrote it.

I am always posting links, videos or sources.

The reason I did not post the link was because most of it is already known. The thread is about Jeremys phone call. Whether it was planned or improvised due to the kitchen fight.

What do you think ?

[Adam]

Jeremy certainly entered Neville & Junes bedroom fully or virtually fully loaded.

Neville being shot five times before reaching the kitchen. June being shot enough times to prevent her leaving the bedroom.

That is why my scenario has the twins being shot last. Jeremy going upstairs, shooting the twins, then going back downstairs to reload increases the chance of being heard. The twins posed least risk if they woke. 

There is a possibility Jeremy fired one bullet each into the twins before going across the hall to the the main bedroom. After realising how weak the rifle was,  he returned to the twins again at the end.

[Jan]

Jeremy certainly entered Neville & Junes bedroom fully or virtually fully loaded.

Neville being shot five times before reaching the kitchen. June being shot enough times to prevent her leaving the bedroom.

That is why my scenario has the twins being shot last. Jeremy going upstairs, shooting the twins, then going back downstairs to reload increases the chance of being heard. The twins posed least risk if they woke. 

There is a possibility Jeremy fired one bullet each into the twins before going across the hall the the main bedroom. After realising how weak the rifle was,  he returned to the twins again at the end.

How weak the rifle was??

Do you mean that after a years planning and using the rifle himself  he chose the wrong weapon?

So where was Sheila whilst this was going on as it does not look like her bed had been slept in?

[Adam]

It was the right weapon.

Holding ten bullets & a silencer could be attached.

If Jeremy re shot the twins again at the end, or shot them 8 times at the end, it would have been to make it look like a frenzid attack. It is doubtful a 6 year old would survive one bullet. But Jeremy also had to make sure.

There had been a struggle downstairs & both Sheila & June were going to be found out of bed.

Perhaps Sheila slept on top of the bed. It was August. Or Jeremy made it afterwards to suggest Sheila had not slept. As you said he had been planning the massacre for months.

[Jane]

It was the right weapon.

Holding ten bullets & a silencer could be attached.

If Jeremy re shot the twins again at the end, or shot them 8 times at the end, it would have been yo make it look like a frenzid attack. It is doubtful a 6 year old would survive one bullet. But Jeremy also had to make sure.

There had been a struggle downstairs & both Sheila & June were going to be found out of bed.

I think you're playing sick games if you're suggesting Jeremy shot experimentally at each of the twins, left them, still alive, but wounded and in pain, and went back to kill them later.

[Adam]

I think you're playing sick games if you're suggesting Jeremy shot experimentally at each of the twins, left them, still alive, but wounded and in pain, and went back to kill them later.

My scenario has them being shot last. Based partly on the evidence that Jeremy had between 5 - 10 bullets when entering the main bedroom.

But there is a slim chance they were shot first. Either 8 times or intially once each before Jeremy returned to them at the end.  I have already said why he may have returned. The first bullet would have killed a 6 year old & it was confirmed they did not suffer.

[Jan]

My scenario has them being shot last. Based partly on the evidence that Jeremy had between 5 - 10 bullets when entering the main bedroom.

But there is a slim chance they were shot first. Either 8 times or intially once each before Jeremy returned to them at the end.  I have already said why he may have returned. The first bullet would have killed a 6 year old & it was confirmed they did not suffer.

or to keep it brief - you have not got a clue

[Adam]

I know that Sheila or Jeremy entered the main bedroom fully or virtually fully loaded.

Neville not using his one arm to restrain Sheila, if it was her.

[lookout]

Those children would have been shot first,as in Sheilas' mind,,they would have to have been protected from seeing the rest of the bloodshed that followed. Sheila knew that all the family would have to go,for obvious reasons,that if one was left,then her cover would have been blown,,she may have been sick,but she wasn't stupid.

I've often wondered that when Neville rang Jeremy,that Neville had purposely delayed phoning in case Jeremy too became a target,,as could easily have happened.   

[susan]

lookout  I agree the little boys would have been shot first and in Sheila's mind maybe that is all she thought she had to do till Ralph intervened then she knew what she had to do so so sad

[Adam]

Those children would have been shot first,as in Sheilas' mind,,they would have to have been protected from seeing the rest of the bloodshed that followed. Sheila knew that all the family would have to go,for obvious reasons,that if one was left,then her cover would have been blown,,she may have been sick,but she wasn't stupid.

I've often wondered that when Neville rang Jeremy,that Neville had purposely delayed phoning in case Jeremy too became a target,,as could easily have happened.

Two good points.

Sheila would have wanted her whole family gone. But knew her brother, who did not like her or understand her illness,  who she did not like & who was present during the alledged fostering conversation was not at WHF ?

With Neville & four of his immediate family in danger, why an earth also put his only son in danger ?

[Adam]

Neville, June, Daniel & Nicholas getting shot & killed in bed while sleeping. And Sheila shot & killed in the twins bedroom. All with only 10 bullets being used, only one for Sheila. All possible.

Someone else finding the bodies, Jeremy did not have a key & probably knew what his job on the farm was on that day. So had no reason to look for anyone.

That is a much more believable murder/suicide crime scene. This is what Jeremy would have attempted.

However the kitchen fight, two rifle reloads & two phone call suggestions makes murder/suicide a lot less likely. Which makes me believe the phone call decision was made on the night to justify Nevilles kitchen presence.

[susan]

Adam would say struggle in the kitchen and I suspect two rifles were used.

[lookout]

Two good points.

Sheila would have wanted her whole family gone. But knew her brother, who did not like her or understand her illness,  who she did not like & who was present during the alledged fostering conversation was not at WHF ?

With Neville & four of his immediate family in danger, why an earth also put his only son in danger ?

Adam,,show me a young man of 24 who's interested in his sister. Jeremy was enjoying working hard and also playing hard,so his interests,like any other young 24 year old,were taken up with going out and partying,,but at the same time,he saw Sheila when he was able and hadn't cast her aside.Both of them became closer as they got older.
Surely,Jeremys' alleged remarks about his family would have proved his lack of interest with his involvement in age and illness,so therefore,he wouldn't have studied any existing illnesses in any of them. ( This remark is on the back of what you posted about Jeremy knowing about the fostering situation .)
Pam knew about the fostering arrangements,who in turn would have told RWB,who had the brass-neck to deny that it was ever mentioned !
Both Sheila and Jeremy weren't strangers to being looked after by people other than their parents,while growing up.There were a number of different au-pairs in situ on account of Junes inability at times,,so for others to take turns in looking after the twins,wasn't a big deal,,although it was twisted into a criminal act when Jeremy happened to mention it.
Everything that man said was twisted beyond recognition.