Essex police accepted call was made from Whf...

[mike tesko]

Because of the potential detail contained on the billing note, I believe that some people are making the mistake of trying to substitute the detail from the 3.36am message log, with the detail in the 3.26am log, one for the other, but if the control room clock was ten minutes fast, I think the timings of both message logs, need to be advanced by ten minutes, so that one call (from RB) was made at 3.16am, and the other, made by JB, was made at 3.26am - not just a case of keeping the contents of one (3.26am), and reffering to it, as another version of the later (3.36am) version...

[Kaldin]

Because of the potential detail contained on the billing note, I believe that some people are making the mistake of trying to substitute the detail from the 3.36am message log, with the detail in the 3.26am log, one for the other, but if the control room clock was ten minutes fast, I think the timings of both message logs, need to be advanced by ten minutes, so that one call (from RB) was made at 3.16am, and the other, made by JB, was made at 3.26am - not just a case of keeping the contents of one (3.26am), and reffering to it, as another version of the later (3.36am) version...

PC West and Malcolm weren't looking at the same clock though were they?

I've asked before where they were in relation to each other but nobody seems to know.

[mike tesko]

Because of the potential detail contained on the billing note, I believe that some people are making the mistake of trying to substitute the detail from the 3.36am message log, with the detail in the 3.26am log, one for the other, but if the control room clock was ten minutes fast, I think the timings of both message logs, need to be advanced by ten minutes, so that one call (from RB) was made at 3.16am, and the other, made by JB, was made at 3.26am - not just a case of keeping the contents of one (3.26am), and reffering to it, as another version of the later (3.36am) version...

PC West and Malcolm weren't looking at the same clock though were they?

I've asked before where they were in relation to each other but nobody seems to know.

... Same clock - (if true), 3.26am call was recieved at 3.16am...

[Kaldin]

Because of the potential detail contained on the billing note, I believe that some people are making the mistake of trying to substitute the detail from the 3.36am message log, with the detail in the 3.26am log, one for the other, but if the control room clock was ten minutes fast, I think the timings of both message logs, need to be advanced by ten minutes, so that one call (from RB) was made at 3.16am, and the other, made by JB, was made at 3.26am - not just a case of keeping the contents of one (3.26am), and reffering to it, as another version of the later (3.36am) version...

PC West and Malcolm weren't looking at the same clock though were they?

I've asked before where they were in relation to each other but nobody seems to know.

... Same clock - (if true), 3.26am call was recieved at 3.16am...

So were they in the same room? I get the impression that they weren't.

[mike tesko]

This is where the missing August (1985) billing note, may come into significance?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

EP would have taken all possibilities into account when they seized the answer phone - Jeremy never claimed the call from RB was answered by his answer phone machine, EP just seized it as part of thier investigation at a time when they had other information to go on, including info' from JM, including the billing info', and details, of which also involved the timing of the other calls made to the police, by RB and JB, and the other call JB made to JM, the significance of which is now all apparent...

Well of course he wouldn't claim that... he was supposed to BE at the receiving end. The last thing he'd admit to was not answering the call.


As for the police seizing anything - it was all too late by the time they got around to anything.... certainly too late to recover anything from the machine.

[Hartley]

PC West and Malcolm weren't looking at the same clock though were they?

I've asked before where they were in relation to each other but nobody seems to know.

... Same clock - (if true), 3.26am call was recieved at 3.16am...
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So were they in the same room? I get the impression that they weren't.
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No they weren't in the same room, they wouldn't need to contact each other by exchange or radio if they were.

Besides the maths don't work by advancing both logs by 10 minutes.

West contacted Bonnet at 3:26 as per the Bonnets log.
JB's call to West was logged at 3:36 but it was agreed in court that it must have been at 3:26 or shortly before.

JB's call to West came before West's call to Bonnet, it couldn't have happened any other way.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

PC West and Malcolm weren't looking at the same clock though were they?

I've asked before where they were in relation to each other but nobody seems to know.

... Same clock - (if true), 3.26am call was recieved at 3.16am...

So were they in the same room? I get the impression that they weren't.
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No they weren't in the same room, they wouldn't need to contact each other by exchange or radio if they were.

Besides the maths don't work by advancing both logs by 10 minutes.

West contacted Bonnet at 3:26 as per the Bonnets log.
JB's call to West was logged at 3:36 but it was agreed in court that it must have been at 3:26 or shortly before.

JB's call to West came before West's call to Bonnet, it couldn't have happened any other way.
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Just out of curiosity:


03:36                              03:26
West    ----------------->   Bonnet

So, because Bonnet said 03:26 in his log, it was assumed West was mistaken in his log (should have been 03:26).

At this level, Bonnet was just as likely to be wrong as West and should have written 03:36.

So I assume they went with Bonnet being accurate due to consequential actions and timings between 3:26 - 3:36 (i.e. depatching cars to the scene and such). If any of Bonnet's actions occur before 3:36, then HE had to have been right, and the time was 3:26.

That seem logical to you?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Completely logical. I wish I could think like you

[Hartley]

Just out of curiosity:


03:36                              03:26
West    ----------------->   Bonnet

So, because Bonnet said 03:26 in his log, it was assumed West was mistaken in his log (should have been 03:26).

At this level, Bonnet was just as likely to be wrong as West and should have written 03:36.

So I assume they went with Bonnet being accurate due to consequential actions and timings between 3:26 - 3:36 (i.e. depatching cars to the scene and such). If any of Bonnet's actions occur before 3:36, then HE had to have been right, and the time was 3:26.

That seem logical to you?

Yes that's as I understand it.

[mike tesko]

Just out of curiosity:


03:36                              03:26
West    ----------------->   Bonnet

So, because Bonnet said 03:26 in his log, it was assumed West was mistaken in his log (should have been 03:26).

At this level, Bonnet was just as likely to be wrong as West and should have written 03:36.

So I assume they went with Bonnet being accurate due to consequential actions and timings between 3:26 - 3:36 (i.e. depatching cars to the scene and such). If any of Bonnet's actions occur before 3:36, then HE had to have been right, and the time was 3:26.

That seem logical to you?

Yes that's as I understand it.

... Unless, RB made an earlier call, before JB to the police - and if, MB did not make the notes up for the 3.26am log, until later (I do not think the photocopy of the 3.26am phone message that was copied on the reverse of the 4.02am log was genuinely written up, as claimed, I think its been modified to try and make it fit the prosecutions case) - in other words, it doesn't mean what the prosecution suggest it means at all, its a forgery...

[Reader]

JB's answer phone was / is not, a red herring - EP treated it as potentially being a significant piece of evidence...

I meant that it's now a red herring. It might have helped the initial EP investigation confirm Jeremy's account, in which case Jeremy would have wanted the machine to be used in evidence at his trial, but it couldn't have helped the second EP investigation prove his involvement in the murders.

If Jeremy was innocent and the machine had started to answer Nevill's call, it's likely that Jeremy would have woken up and lifted the telephone handset, which stops the machine, before it started to record. If it had recorded anything before he stopped it, he would have known that it had and wanted the consequent analysis to be available at his trial.

The answering delay is completely irrelevant, as no answering machine stores any indication of what happens during the delay period.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

JB's answer phone was / is not, a red herring - EP treated it as potentially being a significant piece of evidence...

I meant that it's now a red herring. It might have helped the initial EP investigation confirm Jeremy's account, in which case Jeremy would have wanted the machine to be used in evidence at his trial, but it couldn't have helped the second EP investigation prove his involvement in the murders.

If Jeremy was innocent and the machine had started to answer Nevill's call, it's likely that Jeremy would have woken up and lifted the telephone handset, which stops the machine, before it started to record. If it had recorded anything before he stopped it, he would have known that it had and wanted the consequent analysis to be available at his trial.

The answering delay is completely irrelevant, as no answering machine stores any indication of what happens during the delay period.

Totally agreed.
My answer machine theory only relates to setting up an end to end call (with Nevill initiating the call from WHF to his Goldhanger, and having it auto answer (as though he himself were at Goldhanger).

There's nothing NOW to be gained from it all.

[Hartley]

Totally agreed.
My answer machine theory only relates to setting up an end to end call (with Nevill initiating the call from WHF to his Goldhanger, and having it auto answer (as though he himself were at Goldhanger).

There's nothing NOW to be gained from it all.

Do you mean Jeremy?

[mike tesko]

Answer machine is integral part of case, proving he did not make call to himself, taking into account, the other evidence linked to this matter...