Essex police accepted call was made from Whf...

[Kaldin]

From the appeal document ...

There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days.

[mike tesko]

Why did nobody say "hold on, MY bill tells me all the numbers, times, dates etc" in 1985?

Esp the defence team.

I dont think it was every doubted that JB could set up the call himself. The question was did Nevill himself make it?

Nobody at BT came forward?

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Nobody at the GPO was asked to come forward...

[jon]

The earlier telephone bill , if MT can show it then it follow's there was a later one ?

[Kaldin]

The earlier telephone bill , if MT can show it then it follow's there was a later one ?

Yes, but he hasn't shown it has he?

[mike tesko]

From the appeal document ...

There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days.

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But there is, and so where does that leave the judgement in the appeal of 2002?

[Kaldin]

From the appeal document ...

There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days.

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But there is, and so where does that leave the judgement in the appeal of 2002?

Where does it leave the defence you mean? Nobody thought to check if itemised bills were available? I would have thought that would be the first thing the defence would do.

[mike tesko]

The earlier telephone bill , if MT can show it then it follow's there was a later one ?

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Once CCRC makes it's decision, I will consider posting the earlier billing notes, from 1984 to July 1985, for the account at whf,  here on this forum...

[jon]

The earlier telephone bill , if MT can show it then it follow's there was a later one ?

Yes, but he hasn't shown it has he?

No . i am asking can he ?

[Kaldin]

Is this something you've just found out Mike? There have been several conversations on here about it and whether itemised billing was available then. I've said myself that I was surprised that there wasn't. Now you suddenly come out with this stuff.

[Kaldin]

The earlier telephone bill , if MT can show it then it follow's there was a later one ?

Yes, but he hasn't shown it has he?

No . i am asking can he ?

Oh I see. It's just that you replied to me before rather than Mike. 

[mike tesko]

Is this something you've just found out Mike? There have been several conversations on here about it and whether itemised billing was available then. I've said myself that I was surprised that there wasn't. Now you suddenly come out with this stuff.

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Iv'e had this information and these billing notes since 2003...

[Kaldin]

Is this something you've just found out Mike? There have been several conversations on here about it and whether itemised billing was available then. I've said myself that I was surprised that there wasn't. Now you suddenly come out with this stuff.

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Iv'e had this information and these billing notes since 2003...

So you sat there and ignored all the conversations about it on here even though you've had the information for seven years, and then suddenly decided to introduce it for no apparent reason.

I'm beginning to think you're playing some weird kind of game here.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Why did nobody say "hold on, MY bill tells me all the numbers, times, dates etc" in 1985?

Esp the defence team.

I dont think it was every doubted that JB could set up the call himself. The question was did Nevill himself make it?

Nobody at BT came forward?

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Nobody at the GPO was asked to come forward...

That's not what I mean... this was on the news at the time, it was a MASSIVE case... if you had looked at those records for the police (e.g. retrieved them) and you heard that they couldn't prove the call happened, wouldn't you be telling people?

Can I just clarify, you have a record of WHF calling Goldhanger at 3.26? do you have a duration?
And do you have a Goldhanger record of then JB called the police?

[Jackiepreece]

I thought mike said he had the records up to the murders but the important ones being help underPII

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Seems we all thought there was no hope for establishing the existence of those calls for not.

But, now, from the very edge of hope, they've arrived. The logs that prove a call was made.

Quite a miracle I'd say.

I am quite stunned by this revelation to be honest. I've put the kettle on in celebration.