Essex police accepted call was made from Whf...

[chochokeira]

Business calls were not differentiated per se...


precisely the same billing system is used across the nation, then and now (within any given carrier), then depending on the subscriber, appropriate tariffs applied... AFTER the fact.

The logs exist for private and business, esp in those days...

One telegraph pole, one wire to the house.

It's not impossible that in those days those on a business tariff might get more detailed billing, or the logs kept for longer, but with JB one would assume, connected to the same exchange as Nevill, same carrier (BT) if they couldn't get confirmation of calls JB made, then they wouldn't for NB either.


It was not too long ago that newspapers espoused the 'secret log that proves Nevill phoned the police' - which we've all seen and it hardly proves anything. Some see it as additional evidence to support Bamber, most see it as further confirmation of what we already knew... and appertains to the JB call only.

I eagerly await this new material.

I believe itemised billing was available on commercial accounts at that time.

[mike tesko]

EP worked on the assumption that Jeremy could have called himself from whf, but they did not / could not find any evidence to support or back such a theory up...

[mike tesko]

Business calls were not differentiated per se...


precisely the same billing system is used across the nation, then and now (within any given carrier), then depending on the subscriber, appropriate tariffs applied... AFTER the fact.

The logs exist for private and business, esp in those days...

One telegraph pole, one wire to the house.

It's not impossible that in those days those on a business tariff might get more detailed billing, or the logs kept for longer, but with JB one would assume, connected to the same exchange as Nevill, same carrier (BT) if they couldn't get confirmation of calls JB made, then they wouldn't for NB either.


It was not too long ago that newspapers espoused the 'secret log that proves Nevill phoned the police' - which we've all seen and it hardly proves anything. Some see it as additional evidence to support Bamber, most see it as further confirmation of what we already knew... and appertains to the JB call only.

I eagerly await this new material.

I believe itemised billing was available on commercial accounts at that time.

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I have got copies of billing (itemized) from 1984 to July 1985, so, Yes, they did and do exist...

But I ain't got the August / September 1985, ones, which are crucial - but EP must have obtained them as part of their investigation into this matter...

[mike tesko]

The answer phone from Jeremy's cottage, and the audio tapes they took, were never made official exhibits in the case, and neither were any itemized phone bills...

I find that strange, considering that EP were seriously looking into the possibility that JB could have made the call to himself from whf, to his cottage?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Hold on!!!


You're talking about WHF to Goldhanger... and not WHF to police?

Might have been an idea to say that.



I have NO doubt at all that that call was made.
Bamber's not a complete moron, he'll have called home as claimed.

However, it only gives him 16 minutes to get home then call the police.

In order to ensure a call really was made, I've always assumed he rigged and answering machine.

Then why did he confess to his lass and then finish her!!!? 

Cos the things you women make us say! and dress up in!

Wait... STRIKE that from the record!

[mike tesko]

I imagine EP also obtained the billing records for Jeremy's phone, and the call he made to Julie, that morning (7th August 1985)...

I also imagine EP got the billing details to confirm when Pamela Boutflour, called JUne Bamber, on the evening of 6th August, 1985...

[Kaldin]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

[mike tesko]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

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At no stage have the GPO said that they did not issue itemized billing details for the account at whf in August / September 1985? If such a document exists, then please direct me toward it...

[jon]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

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At no stage have the GPO said that they did not issue itemized billing details for the account at whf in August / September 1985? If such a document exists, then please direct me toward it...

Did Rivilin ask where are these bills at trial ?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Why did nobody say "hold on, MY bill tells me all the numbers, times, dates etc" in 1985?

Esp the defence team.

I dont think it was every doubted that JB could set up the call himself. The question was did Nevill himself make it?

Nobody at BT came forward?

[Kaldin]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

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At no stage have the GPO said that they did not issue itemized billing details for the account at whf in August / September 1985? If such a document exists, then please direct me toward it...

Oh come on. Every commentary on the case has implied that no such thing existed at the time and that's why it was Jeremy's word against the police's opinion whether he received a call or not. If such a timed call existed then why were there so many questions about when Jeremy called Julie and so much speculation about when Jeremy might have received a call from his father? 

[Kaldin]

Why did nobody say "hold on, MY bill tells me all the numbers, times, dates etc" in 1985?

Esp the defence team.

I dont think it was every doubted that JB could set up the call himself. The question was did Nevill himself make it?

Nobody at BT came forward?

I've read nothing about this at the trial. I've read nothing about the prosecution saying that Jeremy called his own house - nothing whatsoever.

[jon]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

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At no stage have the GPO said that they did not issue itemized billing details for the account at whf in August / September 1985? If such a document exists, then please direct me toward it...

Oh come on. Every commentary on the case has implied that no such thing existed at the time and that's why it was Jeremy's word against the police's opinion whether he received a call or not. If such a timed call existed then why were there so many questions about when Jeremy called Julie and so much speculation about when Jeremy might have received a call from his father?

If you can show us the earlier one then it is a fact there is a later one !

[Kaldin]

Sorry but this is absurd. For 25 years the issue has been whether there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house, and I have been led to believe that no such information was available - that's why it was a matter of Jeremy's credibility when it came to the issue of whether such a phone call existed. I've said on here a few times that I thought BT would have been more advanced than that at the time, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't say if there had been a call or not.

Now there's suddenly a claim that they could tell if there was a call or not and that the police knew all about such a call. All those questions about when Jeremy called Julie and yet the defence didn't know that the police knew there was a call from the farm and at what time?  I just don't buy it unless I see some evidence of that.

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At no stage have the GPO said that they did not issue itemized billing details for the account at whf in August / September 1985? If such a document exists, then please direct me toward it...

Oh come on. Every commentary on the case has implied that no such thing existed at the time and that's why it was Jeremy's word against the police's opinion whether he received a call or not. If such a timed call existed then why were there so many questions about when Jeremy called Julie and so much speculation about when Jeremy might have received a call from his father?

If you can show us the earlier one then it is a fact there is a later one !

What do you mean?

[mike tesko]

Why did nobody say "hold on, MY bill tells me all the numbers, times, dates etc" in 1985?

Esp the defence team.

I dont think it was every doubted that JB could set up the call himself. The question was did Nevill himself make it?

Nobody at BT came forward?

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But you and everyone else are going to be hearing about it all very soon...

It'll be all over the papers, with copies of the July billing records, if and when CCRC decide not to refer Jeremy's case back to the court of appeal - I should think...

I've read nothing about this at the trial. I've read nothing about the prosecution saying that Jeremy called his own house - nothing whatsoever.