Essex police accepted call was made from Whf...

[Kaldin]

Why the vagueness in the first post? I think this thread is meant to tantalise and tease. 

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Yeah, that's my claim to the wife when I'm walking naked around the house...

and she says the same as I'm doing now...

what a load of boll**ks

[mike tesko]

We have been told that there was no billing record for individual calls made from whf, but I have copies of billing information up to July 1985, from 1984...

EP must also have obtained the billing records for August, and September 1985, but have withheld them under pii...

As a result of EP obtaining the billing records from whf, they established that a call from whf to Jeremy's cottage was made. EP obtained the billing records once the nature of the investigation changed from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85, on 6th September 1985, and which coincided with Julie  Mugford introducing information about a hit man, being hired by Jeremy, to carry out the killings...

Once the billing information was obtained, EP were satisfied that a call was made from whf to 9 head street, but they started to investigate who could have made the call - was it Ralph Bamber? Was it the hit man? or was it Jeremy Bamber, himself? EP worked on the assumption that a hit man had called Jeremy from whf to tell him "it was done", but once Mathew McDonald was cleared, they abandoned that idea, and focussed on the possibility that Jeremy could have rung his own number from whf, and once Jeremy was in custody, EP seized an answer phone and several cassette tapes from his cottage which they had an expert examine to see if there was any evidence that Jeremy had called himself from the scene, during the early hours of the morning...

The results from the examination of Jeremy's answer phone and the corresponding audio tapes has so far never been disclosed and continues to be withheld under pii...

It should also be noted, that the claims that various clocks, in the control room, and at the boarding house where Mugford was in digs, were ten to fifth-teen minutes fast, is / was nothing but a red herring, designed to build a smokescreen, to cloud the issue over the timing of the actual call that was made from whf to Jeremy's cottage...

As I say...

EP know there was a call made from whf to Jeremy's cottage, they have the billing records to prove it...

They were focusing on trying to identify who actually made the call, not that no such call was ever made...

I do not have the August / September 1985, billing note, but I do have others up to July 1985...

If the other billing details up to July 1985 exist, then the August / September 1985, ones, must also exist...

EP are not disclosing them because it would prove a call was made from WHF to Jeremy's cottage - not who made the call...

in my opinion...

[mike tesko]

Timing of the actual call that was made from WHF to Jeremy's cottage, is believed not to tally exactly, with Jeremy's account, as per the timing he received the call from his father, it is understood to be several minutes out of synchronization, and this is what prompted the police to try and shift the timing of Jeremy's early morning call to his girlfriend Mugford, from 3:30am, to 3:15am, or even around 3am...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Hold on!!!


You're talking about WHF to Goldhanger... and not WHF to police?

Might have been an idea to say that.



I have NO doubt at all that that call was made.
Bamber's not a complete moron, he'll have called home as claimed.

However, it only gives him 16 minutes to get home then call the police.

In order to ensure a call really was made, I've always assumed he rigged and answering machine.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Jeremy's 'difficulty' (working on the theory he's setting up an alibi) is that he can't be sure what BT can log.
So in making the call, he has to make sure he answers at the other end (answering machine) and he then has to explain why it's taken 15 minutes for him to call the police (having received the call from WHF).

Essentially that makes setting up the call the very last thing JB needs to do before exiting the house.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Hold on!!!


You're talking about WHF to Goldhanger... and not WHF to police?

Might have been an idea to say that.



I have NO doubt at all that that call was made.
Bamber's not a complete moron, he'll have called home as claimed.

However, it only gives him 16 minutes to get home then call the police.

In order to ensure a call really was made, I've always assumed he rigged and answering machine.

IF this record of phone calls does exist it WOULD also prove or disprove the alledged call from WHF to the police.

[mike tesko]

Hold on!!!


You're talking about WHF to Goldhanger... and not WHF to police?

Might have been an idea to say that.



I have NO doubt at all that that call was made.
Bamber's not a complete moron, he'll have called home as claimed.

However, it only gives him 16 minutes to get home then call the police.

In order to ensure a call really was made, I've always assumed he rigged and answering machine.

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Hold on - if phone billing record exists, and I have no reason to believe that it does not, because as I say I have got the 1984 up to July 1985 billing notes from whf, then the call made to the police (as per the 3:26am log) will be recorded on the same billing note - and this is why EP may be withholding it under pii...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

I think I just said that, more or less  :D

[mike tesko]

I think I just said that, more or less  :D

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Our comments crossed paths - as I was posting a message came up to warn me that there had been another post (which was yours). I give you credit for stealing my thunder, or did I steal your thunder?

Anyway...

I haven't got the August / September 1985 billing note, only the 1984 to July 1985, ones...

But EP and the DPP / CPS must have got the ones that are missing...

[mike tesko]

I also have billing records for international calls made from WHF for the same periods 1984 to July 1985...

[jon]

I also have billing records for international calls made from WHF for the same periods 1984 to July 1985...

How did you get them , then why couldnt you get the others , what or who stopped you ?

[mike tesko]

In October 1986, during Jeremy's trial, this was why both phone logs were not disclosed to the court to suggest that Jeremy's call had been made at 3:26am, not 3:36am - because EP and the DPP / CPS, had the billing phone records from whf for August / September 1985, and contained in those records would have been information that either contradicted one or other of these claims, or confirming one, or both, or neither...

in my opinion...

[mike tesko]

I also have billing records for international calls made from WHF for the same periods 1984 to July 1985...

How diid you get them , then why couldnt you get the others , what or who stopped you ?

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How did I get them?

Long story - but many many years ago, the person who was holding all of Jeremy's file, (which he got as a result of the failed 2002 failed appeal and COLPs 1991 investigation) gave Jeremy an ultimatum, that they were going to have to dispose of the files and they wanted Jeremy to take them off their hands because they were taking up a huge space in their garage. Well, Jeremy couldn't have them sent into HMP Full Sutton, because of storage problems, and because I was acting as his McKensie man, at that time, because he could not get Legal aid, I was asked if I would take control of everything? I only agreed on the basis that if I took possession of them, to save them from being destroyed, that I would carry out my own investigation into all the material, and present some of my findings to Jeremy, so that he could look at it, and decide whether or not to submit it to the CCRC, or whatever? Amongst all this material which I have in my possession are documents which back up many of the claims I have been making, including the billing records from 1984 to July 1985...

Hope this helps...

I have over 50,000 documents and records etc...

I am not allowed to publish many of the doc's and material I have control over, because of an agreement I have with Jeremy, and I would not do that at any cost, because his liberty may rest upon things under my control, and in my possession...

[Roch]

Hold on!!!


You're talking about WHF to Goldhanger... and not WHF to police?

Might have been an idea to say that.



I have NO doubt at all that that call was made.
Bamber's not a complete moron, he'll have called home as claimed.

However, it only gives him 16 minutes to get home then call the police.

In order to ensure a call really was made, I've always assumed he rigged and answering machine.

Then why did he confess to his lass and then finish her!!!?