The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[gringo]

His ballistics evidence is worth reading about the bullets which I for one found informative for someone who  is not conversant in this area of expertise. I do know a little about the psychology of girls and they can be more devious than teenage boys and a lot harder to read.

Did the Hunter book make you question the prosecution case , Steve ?
      I agree that he clarifies the ballistics evidence so well that you are left with the inescapable conclusion that the ballistics as presented by the prosecution is a fiction . No offence to Mike, who has written extensively and informatively on the ballistics, but I never really got a grip on it until reading Hunter's draft.
     

[Steve_uk]

Did the Hunter book make you question the prosecution case , Steve ?
      I agree that he clarifies the ballistics evidence so well that you are left with the inescapable conclusion that the ballistics as presented by the prosecution is a fiction . No offence to Mike, who has written extensively and informatively on the ballistics, but I never really got a grip on it until reading Hunter's draft.
   

Well as I have said before Mike has done a good job with the silencer evidence,which is not to say that the other pillars of the case don't hold up.  I don't know what the issue is with Sheila's fingerprints or lack of them on any weapon:we're just going round in circles again.

[gringo]

Well as I have said before Mike has done a good job with the silencer evidence,which is not to say that the other pillars of the case don't hold up.  I don't know what the issue is with Sheila's fingerprints or lack of them on any weapon:we're just going round in circles again.

   Do you think that it is likely, from reading the ballistics evidence, that more than one gun was used ?

[Steve_uk]

   Do you think that it is likely, from reading the ballistics evidence, that more than one gun was used ?

It looks like it,because how else would Nevill and June have both 1/2 and 1/4inch bullet holes present in their bodies?http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html

[SirSimeon2003]

If Sheila was planning to commit suicide, there is no reason to stop Neville making a call. By the time the police arrive, everyone would be dead.

EXACTLY!

[gringo]

It looks like it,because how else would Nevill and June have both 1/2 and 1/4inch bullet holes present in their bodies?http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html

Doesn't this cast doubt on the rest of the case in your opinion?
      Once you accept that it is not a one gun crime then surely the rest of the prosecution case melts away .
    So much of the prosecution case relies on the killings being a one gun crime that once you accept there was more than one gun used that night the prosecution falls apart . It also gives a more sinister twist to Antony Pargeter's contradictory statements regarding the whereabouts of his own rifle that night . It certainly at least hints towards collusion between AP and EP to be able to present the one gun crime scenario upon which they relied in court .
     Does the fabricated ballistic evidence not raise further and disturbing questions to challenge your views on the case ?

[SirSimeon2003]

Adam the bedroom phone was not upstairs it was downstairs.  Keep up

Adam never said the bedroom phone was upstairs - he has repeatedly stated the bedroom phone was in the kitchen. He responded to another person saying "IF the bedroom phone was upstairs, then...", Key Word IF. Learn to read already.

[gringo]

Adam never said the bedroom phone was upstairs - he has repeatedly stated the bedroom phone was in the kitchen. He responded to another person saying "IF the bedroom phone was upstairs, then...", Key Word IF. Learn to read already.

EXACTLY!

Caroline has already pointed out to you how ill informed your earlier shouting was.
   However, unperturbed by the fact that the applying of reasoning and planning skills to someone having a psychotic episode, is not only ill informed but also exposes your own lack of reasoning skills , you then go on to be rude to yet another poster who has earned somewhat more respect on here than you .
    I looked through your 12 postings on this forum and really ought to congratulate you on demonstrating in such short order that you are rude, ill informed, lacking in basic reasoning skills, condescending and have nothing to add or say about the case .

[Roch]

Doesn't this cast doubt on the rest of the case in your opinion?
      Once you accept that it is not a one gun crime then surely the rest of the prosecution case melts away .
    So much of the prosecution case relies on the killings being a one gun crime that once you accept there was more than one gun used that night the prosecution falls apart . It also gives a more sinister twist to Antony Pargeter's contradictory statements regarding the whereabouts of his own rifle that night . It certainly at least hints towards collusion between AP and EP to be able to present the one gun crime scenario upon which they relied in court .
     Does the fabricated ballistic evidence not raise further and disturbing questions to challenge your views on the case ?

One of the clearest posts ever put up. It is the reason why I have never been able to incorporate the postings of Hartley, Bridget & Vic. This is almost 'Bamber in a nutshell'. It (meaning the prosecution's case) is baloney. You cannot have altered ballistics evidence  alongside a guilty Bamber. The two things are completely incompatible.

[Roch]

One of the clearest posts ever put up. It is the reason why I have never been able to incorporate the postings of Hartley, Bridget & Vic. This is almost 'Bamber in a nutshell'. It (meaning the prosecution's case) is baloney. You cannot have altered ballistics evidence  alongside a guilty Bamber. The two things are completely incompatible.

The idea that Hunter would falsely build an argument that the ballistics has been tampered with is a ludicrous proposition. 

[SirSimeon2003]

What would be the point of him getting there first?

Arriving first would have meant he sped like a bat out of hell to get to the farm because he loved his family and wanted to stop whatever was happening to protect his family

Driving under the speed limit proved he did not care if nutty sister shoot everybody to death

Driving under the speed limit proved Jeremy knew the family was already dead - hence no reason to speed

[SirSimeon2003]

Reality Check - What evidence is there to free JB? Answers on a very small postcard!

LOL!

[SirSimeon2003]

Many of the points raised here were answered by Mike's imput

LMFAO - ?ROFL - ?ROFLMAO - ?LOL Thanks for the laugh!

[gringo]

One of the clearest posts ever put up. It is the reason why I have never been able to incorporate the postings of Hartley, Bridget & Vic. This is almost 'Bamber in a nutshell'. It (meaning the prosecution's case) is baloney. You cannot have altered ballistics evidence  alongside a guilty Bamber. The two things are completely incompatible.

I am surprised that Steve admitted what he did regarding the ballistics . Usually the guilters have nothing to say on these matters realising that the pretence of a one gun crime is essential to maintain a credible belief in JB's guilt.
    How many times have we been told that one of the biggest problems with the innocent side is to explain the lack of residue on Sheila's hands in having to reload at least twice ? In fact I am sure that Steve has raised this as a problem himself(often) before but he has now solved the mystery of a lack of residue on Sheila's hands all on his own if he just cares to joins the dots. We cannot now know if Sheila had to reload at all although the evidence, that Steve now lends such weight to, would suggest that no reloading was required. 
   

[gringo]

Arriving first would have meant he sped like a bat out of hell to get to the farm because he loved his family and wanted to stop whatever was happening to protect his family

Driving under the speed limit proved he did not care if nutty sister shoot everybody to death

Driving under the speed limit proved Jeremy knew the family was already dead - hence no reason to speed

Your last three postings prove what I previously pointed out about you