The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

Strange that Jeremy did not have a key for WHF. It was his family home & he worked on the farm. Might explain the hacksaw found outside & bathroom window hacksaw marks.

Barbara Wilson said Neville had instructed that the safe key was moved. Maybe Neville thought Jeremy was planning to attack him.

[Adam]

Jeremy may have known, I suppose if he was planning a murder he would go into the kitchen and check which phone was down there, then he'd think, aha, the bedroom phone is in the kitchen therefore 'tonight's the night'  or words to that effect.  No I don't believe so.

I agree. If the bedroom phone was upstairs, all Jeremy needed to do was pick up the kitchen phone upon entry. That disabled all phones.

[maggie]

The thunderstorms were in June.

If both phones were downstairs on the night Jeremy would know Neville could not make a call in from his bedroom.

I think you will find that a storm damaged Nevill's phone a few days before and the bedroom phone was moved downstairs. The reason that particular phone was moved down was because June preferred it to the other 'spare' one which at some point must have slipped off the pile of magazines and down the back of them.

[susan]

Adam the bedroom phone was not upstairs it was downstairs.  Keep up

[susan]

Adam are you not paying attention we have discussed the keys in full earlier.  Two keys existed the Bambers had one Barbara Wilson the other. With regard to the safe key being moved hearsay again but had it been the case why do you always point the finger at Jeremy could have been moved for many reasons. Security reasons too many people knew where it was kept for instance. Jeremy volunteered the information that he sometimes gained access through a window no secret Adam so stop trying to make it one.

[Adam]

Hi jansus  Excellent post.  The posters on the forum who think Jeremy Bamber is innocent are all the time trying to find something that will help him gain his freedom.  The posters who think he is guilty are not happy that he is serving life in prison they seem to want to discredit him further and point out what an evil person he is.  Now he is serving life what other kind of punishment are they looking to inflict on him are they not happy with the sentence given. The theories are being posted up of what happened what difference does it make to them he was found GUILTY in a Court of Law.

People will have different views after reading about the case.

 It is a high profile case. Partly because Jeremy has always claimed he is innocent & is always appealing. He also has his own Offical website, lawyers, official Youtube videos & is always in the media.  So people will comment.

[Adam]

Adam the bedroom phone was not upstairs it was downstairs.  Keep up

As I mentioned before, the kitchen phone locations were considered strange and important enough to be discussed in court. Keep up.

Reading a decent book on the case may also help.

[Adam]

Adam are you not paying attention we have discussed the keys in full earlier.  Two keys existed the Bambers had one Barbara Wilson the other. With regard to the safe key being moved hearsay again but had it been the case why do you always point the finger at Jeremy could have been moved for many reasons. Security reasons too many people knew where it was kept for instance. Jeremy volunteered the information that he sometimes gained access through a window no secret Adam so stop trying to make it one.

So Jeremy did not have a key to gain access to WHF. Strange.

Why would Neville phone him ?

[susan]

Adam Ralph would have opened the door from the inside and let Jeremy in at this stage no shots had been fired.  Failing that Ralph knew Jeremy could access through the window as he had often done.

[grahameb]

So Jeremy did not have a key to gain access to WHF. Strange.

Why would Neville phone him ?

That is actually a very good observation. I'll give you that. If Jeremy could not get in and Ralph knew it, then why phone Jeremy?

[Adam]

The white kitchen phone was found off the hook. Jeremy also says the phone went dead in mid conversation.

This suggests that Sheila put her hand on the phone to disconnect it. Meaning she was right next to Neville. This must have been when the fight took place. Sheila giving Neville a brutal beating.

If there were problems upstairs Neville would have ended the conversation & put the phone back on the hook.

[Patti]

The white kitchen phone was found off the hook. Jeremy also says the phone went dead in mid conversation.

This suggests that Sheila put her hand on the phone to disconnect it. Meaning she was right next to Neville. This must have been when the fight took place. Sheila giving Neville a brutal beating.

Hi Adam

Not proven one way or the other in all fairness....No one knows and this is pure speculation of course. 

[susan]

Adam for Sheila to have given Ralph a brutal beating don't forget he was 6.4 she would have to have stood on a stool.  It is obvious Ralph was beaten when in a sitting position.  I think Ralph dropped the phone and ran upstairs after hearing a commotion I am giving you parts of my scenario.

[Adam]

Hi Adam

Not proven one way or the other in all fairness....No one knows and this is pure speculation of course. 

That is partly what forums are for . To speculate.

If Neville was not attacked while on the phone, he would have ended the conversation & automatically put the phone back on the hook.

[Adam]

Adam for Sheila to have given Ralph a brutal beating don't forget he was 6.4 she would have to have stood on a stool.  It is obvious Ralph was beaten when in a sitting position.  I think Ralph dropped the phone and ran upstairs after hearing a commotion I am giving you parts of my scenario.

Why not put the phone back on the hook ? Jeremy & the police may call him back.

So Neville ran upstairs & ended up downstairs with two black eyes, damaged jaw, neck, teeth & larynx.