"Which adopted child shot farmhouse family"?

[Steve_uk]

Hello steve in my experience young men love to fly the nest and often send their dirty washing home to Mother and eat out as you told me Jeremy loved doing.  Julie would not have time for cooking and cleaning with her studies and her causal work two jobs I think.  Young men love to leave home so they can get upto what young men do.  Are you talking from experience steve I would have thought you were very self sufficient.

Hi susan yes I was speaking from experience in my first few years in 1980s London where looking back I led a 24/7 life of work and chores,though being young I did also manage to fit in time for the gym and a social life.Sometimes people complain about their predicament even if they are relatively happy,but I'm afraid this was not the case with Jeremy as he told his story with expletives to anyone who would listen how much he hated his parents.

[susan]

Steve I thought you were talking from experience when I got married I was so homesick for my Mum and her lovely cooking I went back everyday and did so for years till I came to Scotland.  Think boys enjoy it better but London would be a lonely place.  I was not aware that Jeremy hated his parents I cannot understand any child saying that about a lovely couple who had brought him up and given him a wonderful start in life.  Maybe he was just having a moment and did not mean it.

[Jane]

I'm afraid sometimes life on your own is not all it's cracked up to be as you settle down to work and realize for how many years you were dependent on outside forces for cooking,shopping,cleaning and getting clothes ready in an age with no microwave oven. Jeremy took these tasks for granted all his life which is why he may have stuck with Julie so long as she filled a vacuum in that regard.

Whilst much of what you say, in some cases, would be undeniably true, boarding school teaches independence. The Ritz, believe me, it AIN'T. I would imagine that Jeremy RELISHED having his own space. No parents breathing down his neck, checking up on what time he got in or with WHOM he came in and I feel perfectly certain that had he needed it he wouldn't have been denied use of the family washing machine. I'm not too certain where you're coming from with  "an age with no microwave oven" I had one bought for me as a wedding present in 1982 and I know they were available before then. I'm equally certain that he could have had the "use" of June's cleaning lady had he wished. I know that Julie spent time at Jeremy's house but I don't think she ever lived in on a permanent basis.

[Steve_uk]

Steve I thought you were talking from experience when I got married I was so homesick for my Mum and her lovely cooking I went back everyday and did so for years till I came to Scotland.  Think boys enjoy it better but London would be a lonely place.  I was not aware that Jeremy hated his parents I cannot understand any child saying that about a lovely couple who had brought him up and given him a wonderful start in life.  Maybe he was just having a moment and did not mean it.

I blame the socio-economic aspect of the times we lived in when money seemed to be an all-consuming God in so many people's lives. I certainly could not have worked another job even as a trainee teacher which is why I respect Julie and as for Jeremy I met so many of those types in London who really had no conversation whatsoever apart from the latest Porsche model or the latest model on their arm.

[maggie]

Whilst much of what you say, in some cases, would be undeniably true, boarding school teaches independence. The Ritz, believe me, it AIN'T. I would imagine that Jeremy RELISHED having his own space. No parents breathing down his neck, checking up on what time he got in or with WHOM he came in and I feel perfectly certain that had he needed it he wouldn't have been denied use of the family washing machine. I'm not too certain where you're coming from with  "an age with no microwave oven" I had one bought for me as a wedding present in 1982 and I know they were available before then. I'm equally certain that he could have had the "use" of June's cleaning lady had he wished. I know that Julie spent time at Jeremy's house but I don't think she ever lived in on a permanent basis.

Also, April/Steve I believe Jeremy ate at the pub quite often, didn't he? He swapped potatoes and various farm crops for free beer and food, I thought.    Also ate at WHF, I should think. 

[Steve_uk]

Whilst much of what you say, in some cases, would be undeniably true, boarding school teaches independence. The Ritz, believe me, it AIN'T. I would imagine that Jeremy RELISHED having his own space. No parents breathing down his neck, checking up on what time he got in or with WHOM he came in and I feel perfectly certain that had he needed it he wouldn't have been denied use of the family washing machine. I'm not too certain where you're coming from with  "an age with no microwave oven" I had one bought for me as a wedding present in 1982 and I know they were available before then. I'm equally certain that he could have had the "use" of June's cleaning lady had he wished. I know that Julie spent time at Jeremy's house but I don't think she ever lived in on a permanent basis.

I think Jeremy yet again began to feel sidelined at Goldhanger especially when Nevill expected him to work his way up at the Farm when all Jeremy had was illusions about being the country squire.

[maggie]

I blame the socio-economic aspect of the times we lived in when money seemed to be an all-consuming God in so many people's lives. I certainly could not have worked another job even as a trainee teacher which is why I respect Julie and as for Jeremy I met so many of those types in London who really had no conversation whatsoever apart from the latest Porsche model or the latest model on their arm.

I find that a bit unfair Steve as you have no idea what Jeremy was like.  He was a farmer not a banker in the city, he may not have been anything like your mental picture of him.

[Jane]

Hi susan yes I was speaking from experience in my first few years in 1980s London where looking back I led a 24/7 life of work and chores,though being young I did also manage to fit in time for the gym and a social life.Sometimes people complain about their predicament even if they are relatively happy,but I'm afraid this was not the case with Jeremy as he told his story with expletives to anyone who would listen how much he hated his parents.

Steve, if you were speaking from experience, I can imagine that finding oneself alone and away from the comforts of home for the first time, in London, can be the lonliest place in the world. For Jeremy, however, this was not his first time away from home, according to you he was certainly within cycling, if not WALKING distance, from the farm where he could undoubtedly go whenever he chose, apart that is from working there.

[Steve_uk]

There was no microwave oven in my grotty accommodation and I certainly wasn't paying for one myself for three others to use. All I saw was growing pressure on working people and a steep rise in unemployment where people could have made a contribution. Jeremy realized the expense of furnishing a house and with the loan repayable for his New Zealand trip(I must check what Chris Nevill had to say again but it wasn't complimentary)and replacement car the resentment in Jeremy only fomented until he finally snapped.

[susan]

Maggie correct me if I am wrong but I thought I had read a post put up by steve that Jeremy did not feel comfortable around Julie's academic friends as he could not speak on their level .

[Steve_uk]

I find that a bit unfair Steve as you have no idea what Jeremy was like.  He was a farmer not a banker in the city, he may not have been anything like your mental picture of him.

He complained to many people how short of money he was until he faced Police interrogation when suddenly he began to stress how financially secure he felt. I'm afraid this was just one of the many subterfuges Jeremy used which continues to this day.

[Jane]

I blame the socio-economic aspect of the times we lived in when money seemed to be an all-consuming God in so many people's lives. I certainly could not have worked another job even as a trainee teacher which is why I respect Julie and as for Jeremy I met so many of those types in London who really had no conversation whatsoever apart from the latest Porsche model or the latest model on their arm.

It rather sounds as if you're basing Jeremy on every Hooray Henry in London when you were there. I wonder if you ever felt that Julie was a traitor to her class.

[Steve_uk]

It rather sounds as if you're basing Jeremy on every Hooray Henry in London when you were there. I wonder if you ever felt that Julie was a traitor to her class.

No she was a Yuppie who beat them all at their own game,and good luck to her now because she made her own luck..

[grahameb]

I find that a bit unfair Steve as you have no idea what Jeremy was like.  He was a farmer not a banker in the city, he may not have been anything like your mental picture of him.

If he was like that he certainly would not be living in a small cottage in Goldhanger. But rather in a spacious flat in London with all the other yuppies.

[Alias]

You are hardly "pushed out" of your parents´ home living on your own in a HOUSE completely at your disposal, free of charge at the age of 24!!! I´d say he was, and must have felt, rather privileged!