"Which adopted child shot farmhouse family"?

[killingeve]

http://www.lep.co.uk/columnists/which-adopted-child-shot-farmhouse-family-1-3062813

Firstly, SC and JB were not children at the time of the murders.

Secondly, Mick Gradwell appears to think that adoption is a feature hence the above title and his references to the "adopted daughter Sheila Caffell" and "the adopted son of June and Neville".  And yet we hear nothing about:

- The psychology of adoption
-June's mental illness caused by her decision to adopt SC and its likely effect on SC:
  - attachment disorder
  - neglect on brain development
 - Adoption reunions

All we get is:

"a new forensic examination of the remaining exhibits and photographs".

And yet despite his ignorance of the above he claims "When I look at all the evidence, Jeremy Bamber remains the most likely suspect".

CALLING MICK GRADWELL

What evidence?

Do you realise that you will not find a modern day psychiatrist or psychologist in the world that would find JB guilty over SC given SC's early experiences at the start of her life: abrupt and repeat changes in primary caregivers, likely neglect as a result of June's mental illness and an adoption reunion with her birth mother weeks before the murders?

[grahameb]

I like the way he says that vital evidence was accidentally destroyed by police. I would substitute the word "accidentally" with "conveniently" personally.

[killingeve]

Hello NN

I love you even though you are an annoying attention-whore. 

What about this?  A book written by an adoptive mother whose adopted son committed suicide.  David Brodzinsky a psychologist specialising in adoption gives his view:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X2tuqcVHGUwC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=David+brodinsky&source=bl&ots=JQemDKEuk5&sig=zV0Jz_KXvxQRtvLoo-I_uY0lpcU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qRxnUu2FNora0QXzj4CIAw&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAg

[susan]

Hello N/N  think you are being a tad hard on yourself.  Nuns are not whores

[killingeve]

Hello N/N  think you are being a tad hard on yourself.  Nuns are not whores

Hi Susan

In their dreams and not even the wildest ones

The annoying attention-whore is based on Grahame's horoscope  . Technically I'm a moody jerk but I'm on the cusp and I think annoying attention whore is more apt and a better description of self 

[susan]

Hello N/N  you are no different than the rest of us as long as we do not all have bad moods on the same day we will be sound.  By the way what is cusp

[Roch]

http://www.lep.co.uk/columnists/which-adopted-child-shot-farmhouse-family-1-3062813

Firstly, SC and JB were not children at the time of the murders.

Secondly, Mick Gradwell appears to think that adoption is a feature hence the above title and his references to the "adopted daughter Sheila Caffell" and "the adopted son of June and Neville".  And yet we hear nothing about:

- The psychology of adoption
-June's mental illness caused by her decision to adopt SC and its likely effect on SC:
  - attachment disorder
  - neglect on brain development
 - Adoption reunions

All we get is:

"a new forensic examination of the remaining exhibits and photographs".

And yet despite his ignorance of the above he claims "When I look at all the evidence, Jeremy Bamber remains the most likely suspect".

CALLING MICK GRADWELL

What evidence?

Do you realise that you will not find a modern day psychiatrist or psychologist in the world that would find JB guilty over SC given SC's early experiences at the start of her life: abrupt and repeat changes in primary caregivers, likely neglect as a result of June's mental illness and an adoption reunion with her birth mother weeks before the murders?

Interesting points NN. I also find it interesting that his opinion regarding the destruction of evidence is 'accidental'. I think this point is worth exploring further.

[lookout]

 It's very wrong to come to the conclusion that," Jeremy Bamber remains to be the likely suspect ".
 Just because he was the only man standing.
 There were three troubled adults in that farmhouse  that evening.
 1) Sheila who we know of.
 2) June who was also fragile,mentally.
 3) Neville had some issues which he'd mentioned to Barbara Wilson,,but didn't go into detail.


 Just wondering.When Neville was punched,which resulted in a black eye. Was his " attacker " injured ?.
 Who also hit June which resulted in a black eye.?

 A most despicable act against elderly persons. Physical abuse at its worst.

[Caroline R]

Who is 'Mike Gradwell' and why would anyone be asking him to review evidence??

[killingeve]

Who is 'Mike Gradwell' and why would anyone be asking him to review evidence??

Morning Lady in Red

When I first pulled up the article there was a picture of him (not a looker) but by the time I posted it it had disappeared!  He's an ex cop and presented on the ITV docu last year.

[killingeve]

Lady in Red just 4 u from NN x

See 22.50 in.  He's Northern what do you expect 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

[Caroline R]

Lady in Red just 4 u from NN x

See 22.50 in.  He's Northern what do you expect 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

Thanks for that NN, yes, I remember him now - bloody northerners!! 

[Roch]

Who is 'Mike Gradwell' and why would anyone be asking him to review evidence??

He features in The Guardian 2010 video. He appears to be an 'independent' consultant who reviews police work. His findings are presented to Chris Bews, whose response is akin to 'just coz mistakes were made doesn't mean it wasn't him who done it'.

Gradwell's input on the ITV documentary was unfortunate. From what I remember, he was allowed to say that the evidence pointed to Jeremy Bamber committed the murders in a cold and calculating manner, near the end the program.

[No-Bits]

He features in The Guardian 2010 video. He appears to be an 'independent' consultant who reviews police work. His findings are presented to Chris Bews, whose response is akin to 'just coz mistakes were made doesn't mean it wasn't him who done it'.

Gradwell's input on the ITV documentary was unfortunate. From what I remember, he was allowed to say that the evidence pointed to Jeremy Bamber committed the murders in a cold and calculating manner, near the end the program.

This one: That's Mike Teskowski narrating isn't it?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-video

[killingeve]

Hello N/N  you are no different than the rest of us as long as we do not all have bad moods on the same day we will be sound.  By the way what is cusp

Hi Susan

I could do a Cruella like you did with me when I asked about St Kilda and you told me to get on my bike and Google  but since I'm a nice Naughty Nun, the word cusp has many meanings but I believe in terms of astrology it means that the moon is in a transitional phase and puts a birth date between falling into different points on the astrological chart.  Its all baloney imo but I'm between Gemini and Cancer and I would say annoying attention whore is a better description of myself than moody jerk