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Re: "Which adopted child shot farmhouse family"?
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2013, 09:37:PM »
I believe he has.  ;)


But more importantly 'HOORAY' I've done it.

I shall now disappear again until the new year, which should allow folk to get past the 'good riddance' stage and into 'we miss No-Bits' stage.  :)

Catch ya later.  8)

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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2013, 10:47:PM »
Hello N/N  thank you for explaining the meaning of the word cusp learning all the time.  Wow if I told you to get on your bike that was very rude of me but recall telling you I had typed a long post about St Kilda and the forum sent it into orbit and I was too tired to type it again.  I know you are a nice Nun and would never be cruel to me.

Ummm yes interesting Susan how you remember some things but not others  :-\ :-\ :-\  I guess it depends on how you rate them in terms of importance  :-\ :-\ :-\  Yes stick with me and you will learn much  ;)  I'm a font of knowledge  ;)

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Re: "Which adopted child shot farmhouse family"?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2013, 04:48:PM »
Hello NN

I love you even though you are an annoying attention-whore. 

What about this?  A book written by an adoptive mother whose adopted son committed suicide.  David Brodzinsky a psychologist specialising in adoption gives his view:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X2tuqcVHGUwC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=David+brodinsky&source=bl&ots=JQemDKEuk5&sig=zV0Jz_KXvxQRtvLoo-I_uY0lpcU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qRxnUu2FNora0QXzj4CIAw&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAg
Andrew felt a bitterness absent in Sheila. It was Sheila who chose to find her birth mother and she felt a sense of completeness after they met. She showed an inner resilience even when faced with daunting adversity and had worked through her anger with June by the time of her death. This is not to deny that the figures are heartbreaking: female adoptees are four times more likely to commit suicide and boys three times more likely than a random adolescent. The problems inside no doubt build up over time to reveal a further shocking statistic: adoptees are fifteen times more likely to kill their parents than children living with their biological parents.

So had Jeremy's problems accrued.A Jeremy so vulnerable from his Gresham’s days that he couldn’t bear the thought of eight wasted years-the whole raison d’être of him being there was that he was special and in the monied classes being usurped by two boys who had now changed rooms and were sleeping in the bedroom on whose door was indelibly marked the sign “Jeremy’s Room”,whilst he himself had been pushed out to a labourer’s cottage for which he was made to feel beholden to his parents,that dwelling being a compromise arrangement between Jeremy agreeing to work at the Farm in return for leading his own social life and no longer under the parental authority which had been exercised over him all those years.

Those letters: a symptom of this insidious helplessness gushing forth to any individual willing to correspond to a convicted mass murderer,letters which may have been written similarly to Nevill and June in the early days as Jeremy endured yet another humdrum history lesson,letters which if only his parents had answered there might just have been a chance this whole story could have been averted:a ray of hope once again disappeared behind the clouds of June’s depression and Nevill’s work ethic as Jeremy yet again resigned himself to spend another uneventful Sunday in that bleak Norfolk outpost. No doubt many a disgruntled public schoolboy had wished the same fate on his school as occurred with the great fire in 1708 which destroyed Holt within the space of three hours,and which lay at the heart of Jeremy’s original plans for White House Farm at Christmas 1984,yet there would be no peace and goodwill to men as Jeremy’s evil plan was only postponed to a time when the Farm would be fully occupied at the height of Summer and the conflagration scheme shelved in favour of an equally horrific plan which even Jeremy himself had initially baulked at,yet which satisfied his desire for revenge as he honed his shooting skills gained whilst the form swots busied themselves with their exam preparation. Public school had its compensations after all as Jeremy pondered the future unshackled by the burden of expectation which had lain upon him for so long.
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2013, 05:00:PM »
Andrew felt a bitterness absent in Sheila. It was Sheila who chose to find her birth mother and she felt a sense of completeness after they met. She showed an inner resilience even when faced with daunting adversity and had worked through her anger with June by the time of her death. This is not to deny that the figures are heartbreaking: female adoptees are four times more likely to commit suicide and boys three times more likely than a random adolescent. The problems inside no doubt build up over time to reveal a further shocking statistic: adoptees are fifteen times more likely to kill their parents than children living with their biological parents.

So had Jeremy's problems accrued.A Jeremy so vulnerable from his Gresham’s days that he couldn’t bear the thought of eight wasted years-the whole raison d’être of him being there was that he was special and in the monied classes being usurped by two boys who had now changed rooms and were sleeping in the bedroom on whose door was indelibly marked the sign “Jeremy’s Room”,whilst he himself had been pushed out to a labourer’s cottage for which he was made to feel beholden to his parents,that dwelling being a compromise arrangement between Jeremy agreeing to work at the Farm in return for leading his own social life and no longer under the parental authority which had been exercised over him all those years.

Those letters: a symptom of this insidious helplessness gushing forth to any individual willing to correspond to a convicted mass murderer,letters which may have been written similarly to Nevill and June in the early days as Jeremy endured yet another humdrum history lesson,letters which if only his parents had answered there might just have been a chance this whole story could have been averted:a ray of hope once again disappeared behind the clouds of June’s depression and Nevill’s work ethic as Jeremy yet again resigned himself to spend another uneventful Sunday in that bleak Norfolk outpost. No doubt many a disgruntled public schoolboy had wished the same fate on his school as occurred with the great fire in 1708 which destroyed Holt within the space of three hours,and which lay at the heart of Jeremy’s original plans for White House Farm at Christmas 1984,yet there would be no peace and goodwill to men as Jeremy’s evil plan was only postponed to a time when the Farm would be fully occupied at the height of Summer and the conflagration scheme shelved in favour of an equally horrific plan which even Jeremy himself had initially baulked at,yet which satisfied his desire for revenge as he honed his shooting skills gained whilst the form swats busied themselves with their exam preparation. Public school had its compensations after all as Jeremy pondered the future unshackled by the burden of expectation which had lain upon him for so long.



Steve, I wonder if you could furnish us with the stats of how many young men of Jeremy's age had to be dragged, screaming from their parental home into their OWN home, where, for possibly the first time in their lives they may enjoy total privacy and experience a freedom ,not previously enjoyed, to invite and "entertain" friends of their choosing. Even MORE, they haven't had to lay out a penny to rent or purchase said home. You may see it as being "pushed out." I see it as not being able to get there fast enough.

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2013, 05:55:PM »
Andrew felt a bitterness absent in Sheila. It was Sheila who chose to find her birth mother and she felt a sense of completeness after they met. She showed an inner resilience even when faced with daunting adversity and had worked through her anger with June by the time of her death. This is not to deny that the figures are heartbreaking: female adoptees are four times more likely to commit suicide and boys three times more likely than a random adolescent. The problems inside no doubt build up over time to reveal a further shocking statistic: adoptees are fifteen times more likely to kill their parents than children living with their biological parents.

So had Jeremy's problems accrued.A Jeremy so vulnerable from his Gresham’s days that he couldn’t bear the thought of eight wasted years-the whole raison d’être of him being there was that he was special and in the monied classes being usurped by two boys who had now changed rooms and were sleeping in the bedroom on whose door was indelibly marked the sign “Jeremy’s Room”,whilst he himself had been pushed out to a labourer’s cottage for which he was made to feel beholden to his parents,that dwelling being a compromise arrangement between Jeremy agreeing to work at the Farm in return for leading his own social life and no longer under the parental authority which had been exercised over him all those years.

Those letters: a symptom of this insidious helplessness gushing forth to any individual willing to correspond to a convicted mass murderer,letters which may have been written similarly to Nevill and June in the early days as Jeremy endured yet another humdrum history lesson,letters which if only his parents had answered there might just have been a chance this whole story could have been averted:a ray of hope once again disappeared behind the clouds of June’s depression and Nevill’s work ethic as Jeremy yet again resigned himself to spend another uneventful Sunday in that bleak Norfolk outpost. No doubt many a disgruntled public schoolboy had wished the same fate on his school as occurred with the great fire in 1708 which destroyed Holt within the space of three hours,and which lay at the heart of Jeremy’s original plans for White House Farm at Christmas 1984,yet there would be no peace and goodwill to men as Jeremy’s evil plan was only postponed to a time when the Farm would be fully occupied at the height of Summer and the conflagration scheme shelved in favour of an equally horrific plan which even Jeremy himself had initially baulked at,yet which satisfied his desire for revenge as he honed his shooting skills gained whilst the form swots busied themselves with their exam preparation. Public school had its compensations after all as Jeremy pondered the future unshackled by the burden of expectation which had lain upon him for so long.
Hi Steve, just curious, do you know how many of the adoptees who commit suicide are adopted as babies?  Many adoptions of toddlers or older children are placed as fostering with a view to adoption.  These children are often appallingly damaged by their experience pre adoption, very often by one or both of their natural parents, there are dreadful stories.  Unfortunately, many such children just cannot overcome the damage they have suffered in their most vulnerable years which often causes them to struggle with trust and love no matter how much they are shown and many do get involved with drugs and either die of an overdose or kill themselves.  Very, very sad..   

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« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2013, 06:05:PM »
Hi Steve, just curious, do you know how many of the adoptees who commit suicide are adopted as babies?  Many adoptions of toddlers or older children are placed as fostering with a view to adoption.  These children are often appallingly damaged by their experience pre adoption, very often by one or both of their natural parents, there are dreadful stories.  Unfortunately, many such children just cannot overcome the damage they have suffered in their most vulnerable years which often causes them to struggle with trust and love no matter how much they are shown and many do get involved with drugs and either die of an overdose or kill themselves.  Very, very sad..



Maggie, I think that Steve should consider the variables before he starts throwing random stats at us ;D
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2013, 06:27:PM »


Maggie, I think that Steve should consider the variables before he starts throwing random stats at us ;D
Hi April,I am always aware of the fate of these poor children, they have such a dreadful start many of them never recover.

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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2013, 06:40:PM »
Hi April,I am always aware of the fate of these poor children, they have such a dreadful start many of them never recover.



Maggie, I think the people who willingly adopt these poor children are very VERY special.

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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2013, 06:52:PM »
There is absolutely NO evidence that Sheila had worked through her 'issues' with June prior to her death. She believed June was possessed   by the devil and needed cleansing! Only a couple of days before the murders SC told Barbara Wilson and Jean Bouttel that 'all people were bad and should be killed'! Also,the twins did not sleep in JB's room. JB's bedroom (complete with door sign) was locked and unoccupied. EP had to break the door down to search the room.

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« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2013, 06:57:PM »
There is absolutely NO evidence that Sheila had worked through her 'issues' with June prior to her death. She believed June was possessed   by the devil and needed cleansing! Only a couple of days before the murders SC told Barbara Wilson and Jean Bouttel that 'all people were bad and should be killed'! Also,the twins did not sleep in JB's room. JB's bedroom (complete with door sign) was locked and unoccupied. EP had to break the door down to search the room.


Naughty, NAUGHTY Steve. The lengths he will go to in order to pull wool over eyes. TUT TUT :o :o :o

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« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2013, 06:59:PM »


Steve, I wonder if you could furnish us with the stats of how many young men of Jeremy's age had to be dragged, screaming from their parental home into their OWN home, where, for possibly the first time in their lives they may enjoy total privacy and experience a freedom ,not previously enjoyed, to invite and "entertain" friends of their choosing. Even MORE, they haven't had to lay out a penny to rent or purchase said home. You may see it as being "pushed out." I see it as not being able to get there fast enough.
I'm afraid sometimes life on your own is not all it's cracked up to be as you settle down to work and realize for how many years you were dependent on outside forces for cooking,shopping,cleaning and getting clothes ready in an age with no microwave oven. Jeremy took these tasks for granted all his life which is why he may have stuck with Julie so long as she filled a vacuum in that regard.

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« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2013, 07:02:PM »
Hello tyler I did not know that JB's room was locked just assumed the twins used it.  I have read that Sheila thought her own children were the devil's children and she thought the world needed ridding of evil.  How very sad all this was as Sheila was herself suffering inwardly with her strange thoughts and the Bambers must have been so worried about her all very sad indeed :(  susanxx

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« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2013, 07:04:PM »
Hi Steve, just curious, do you know how many of the adoptees who commit suicide are adopted as babies?  Many adoptions of toddlers or older children are placed as fostering with a view to adoption.  These children are often appallingly damaged by their experience pre adoption, very often by one or both of their natural parents, there are dreadful stories.  Unfortunately, many such children just cannot overcome the damage they have suffered in their most vulnerable years which often causes them to struggle with trust and love no matter how much they are shown and many do get involved with drugs and either die of an overdose or kill themselves.  Very, very sad..
My figures are accurate from internet sources,though I would imagine that adoptees from birth who manage to stay within one family are statistically less likely to suicide. I watched the film "Child Rage" on the True Movies channel about a young girl Cat who had been to several families and tried to kill her parents..a heartbreaking story.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_of_Rage

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« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2013, 07:06:PM »
There is absolutely NO evidence that Sheila had worked through her 'issues' with June prior to her death. She believed June was possessed   by the devil and needed cleansing! Only a couple of days before the murders SC told Barbara Wilson and Jean Bouttel that 'all people were bad and should be killed'! Also,the twins did not sleep in JB's room. JB's bedroom (complete with door sign) was locked and unoccupied. EP had to break the door down to search the room.
All of the above is unconfirmed,and in the transcript of Police interrogation of 10,11 and 12 September 1985 Jeremy ventured the information that the twins had changed rooms from the one they normally slept in.
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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2013, 07:08:PM »
Hello steve in my experience young men love to fly the nest and often send their dirty washing home to Mother and eat out as you told me Jeremy loved doing.  Julie would not have time for cooking and cleaning with her studies and her causal work two jobs I think.  Young men love to leave home so they can get upto what young men do.  Are you talking from experience steve I would have thought you were very self sufficient.