telephone calls

[susan]

Maggie Jeremy Bamber and Julie were as different as chalk and cheese and the relationship would never have worked.  Men of 24 are not really mature enough to settle down they need to sow lots of wild oats.  On the otherhand Julie just wanted Jeremy and what he stood for money, posh and very good looking and she did envisage becoming the next Mrs Bamber.  She was not the right candidate for this role fete's arranging flowers in the church WRI no she was more into smoking dope and having a good time.  Life is strange men can get away with this type of behaviour they are sowing their wild oats unfortunately women are looked at quite differently not fair I grant you but nevertheless true.

[susan]

Maggie excellent post Julie was starting to smoother Jeremy emotionally and she should have given him space to grieve in his own way but I am still of the same frame of mind a woman scorned is lethal.  She had proved with the throwing of the soap and trying to smoother him and other incidents that she had a bad temper she was not a meek gentle soul and it was not difficult for her to do what she did as it was pay back time and she had won Off she went with a smile on her face clutching her reward and at the time being a celeb who was craving attention as she was so jealous of Jeremy as he was what she would have liked to be.

[susan]

steve had the specs of blood been of any significance they would have been presented at Trial by the prosecution afterall they had very little else to present.  I do not need to avail myself of a book to work that one out.

[susan]

Maggie I would love to know where steve gets all his information from as much of it is not documented maybe in some books where the Author has interviewed Julie steve's posts are all one sided and factually incorrect.  Wine bar indeed!!!!!

[susan]

steve you have quoted earlier Jeremy only wanted Julie around so he could have his Mother's bike on hand for his journey to and from the farm

[Jane]

But there was no grief. Julie saw it. She heard it from Jeremy's own lips at Blazer's restaurant Blackheath:"I don't feel anything..maybe there's something wrong with me..". Julie realized that this was not a man with whom she had a future,with whom she could have children. She got out.

Those few words demonstrate succinctly that in Steve we have the embodiment of an educator who refuses to be educated, Maggie's post, and his response to it, being a perfect example of what I'm attempting to show. Steve sees only the immediacy of situations/words and doesn't look beyond to the bigger picture. He may lack the emotional experience and understanding which would enable him to see further.

[Jane]

Maggie I would love to know where steve gets all his information from as much of it is not documented maybe in some books where the Author has interviewed Julie steve's posts are all one sided and factually incorrect.  Wine bar indeed!!!!!

Susan Good Morning He gets his information from authors who've had to rely on what others tell them and then further embellishes and "bends" what the say to fit his own prescribed version of events. I have to say that on occasions he does it in a wickedly subtle way. When he "does" the wine bar scenario, we're far more likely to see (through Steve's eyes, that is) Jeremy quaffing champagne, groping females and generally making his presence felt, than the young man who sat quietly whilst those around him were enjoying themselves as described by the Burnham on Crouch restaurant owner.

[Lugg]

No they were referred to by Dr. John Hayward at trial. Maybe you should avail yourself of the odd book after all..

I don't want to become like you who read too many "odd" books.

[susan]

Lugg quite right we have enough with one steve

[Lugg]

Alfie - OK, he needs a damn good shave but he's a pretty good detective as long as you have a biscuit!! But he is a bit vain!

He's saying, "I need a trip to the grooming parlour".

[Caroline R]

He's saying, "I need a trip to the grooming parlour".
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He's just been Lugg, you cn't get him away from the mirror now!!

[wilf]

thanks for the info.  I know that as late as the early 90's when I was showed around an exchange that billing was done by recording units used on electromechanical counters the wonders of digital were not evedent or mentioned where I visited. so call number recording seems to be out. finding out who phoned who and when I suspect could not be found out. I remember dialing 999 somewhwre about 1985 (the garage at the end of the street caught fire) it went like this
I dial 999
operator "emergency what number are you calling from?"
me  "er  XXXXXX"
operator "What service do you require?"
me  "fire"
operator "control I have an emergency call from XXXXXX"
control  "go ahead caller"
so if a 999 call were made I would think it would be logged at exchange and poilce control.

[Patti]

thanks for the info.  I know that as late as the early 90's when I was showed around an exchange that billing was done by recording units used on electromechanical counters the wonders of digital were not evedent or mentioned where I visited. so call number recording seems to be out. finding out who phoned who and when I suspect could not be found out. I remember dialing 999 somewhwre about 1985 (the garage at the end of the street caught fire) it went like this
I dial 999
operator "emergency what number are you calling from?"
me  "er  XXXXXX"
operator "What service do you require?"
me  "fire"
operator "control I have an emergency call from XXXXXX"
control  "go ahead caller"
so if a 999 call were made I would think it would be logged at exchange and poilce control.

Hi Wilf

Itemised bills were being piloted at that time. They certainly did have the technology but it was not rolled out in all areas and was not seen to go national for a few years after that....

I must point out to you that Jeremy did not use the exchange when he rang the police he used the local number, he called direct.

I can agree with your scenario above, but I don't think they asked you the number you were dialing from, that came later due to crank calls to the police services......Digital age had arrived at that time, but I am unsure we had digital phones....Its possible that we did, we certainly had digital clocks in 1985....

There is a history of BT somewhere on the internet that one of our members posted....I think it was Neil....

I am not entirely convinced that NB phoned the police from WHF  even though I have seen the phone log....it could be explained in two ways....but is questionable nonetheless.....

[lookout]

Wilf,,,in 2004,,it was found that there were indeed two separate phone calls.
CA07 car was sent to WHF at 3.35am and CA05 was sent at 3.36am.

[guest154]

Wilf,,,in 2004,,it was found that there were indeed two separate phone calls.

Not true.