Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[Steve_uk]

Had it existed it would have been recognized during the many conversations he's had with Psychologists over the years. It isn't something which can be hidden and would colour and inform his general conversations.

But he's hidden his true feelings all his life. As he told Julie "it's important to tell the truth wherever possible" and in this he has obfuscated investigators. The inability to confront his own loathing of his adoptive parents is just one sign that he is a consummate actor.

[lookout]

Jones,,of the Jonestown massacre suffered severe schizophrenia,,bi-polar and other disorders which produced paranoia and psychosis. He was known to have also abused a variety of drugs which would have complicated a mental illness or cause other effects on their own.
He had a history of Christianity,,but was trying to pull away from such a religion whith his formation of the Peoples' Temple,,which was a communist movement.

Was Sheila trying to rid herself of the religious fanaticism that her mother instilled.? Was she trying,,in her own way,,to break away from the hold it had on her.?

[maggie]

But he's hidden his true feelings all his life. As he told Julie "it's important to tell the truth wherever possible" and in this he has obfuscated investigators. The inability to confront his own loathing of his adoptive parents is just one sign that he is a consummate actor.

You love that phrase 'adoptive parents' don't you Steve.  You seem to believe it gives you carte blanche to assume that Jeremy hated and despised June and Neville because there was no blood tie therefore assuming there would not be love.

It's pretty insulting to the millions of adoptive families in this world who don't need blood ties or genetics to love and care for each other, very often the ties are closer than in natural families. 

The issues about attachment disorder in many instances do not mean the child does not bond but can cause an 'overbonding' with their adoptive parents and other relationships in their lives, they find it hard to let go of relationships ie Sheila with Colin. 

Of course there are some children and parents who have had very difficult adoptive experiences as there are some natural families in a similar situation

It is only in severe attachment disorders and mental health illness that this becomes dangerous. 

When an adoptive child has been abused and neglected before adoption there are particular difficulties, some children are so very, very damaged no amount of unconditional love can save them, when this occurs it is a tragedy for parents and children alike and they deserve more respect imo.
 
I would suggest you do some research into the whole complex subject and the supreme tragedies that can happen through no fault of either the adoptive parents or the adopted child.

Sorry to drag the thread off topic but it needs to be said.

[Jane]

But he's hidden his true feelings all his life. As he told Julie "it's important to tell the truth wherever possible" and in this he has obfuscated investigators. The inability to confront his own loathing of his adoptive parents is just one sign that he is a consummate actor.

Steve, it just isn't possible to hide words which AREN'T said. These are what any Psychologist will be listening for and I refuse to believe that more than 20 got it wrong.

[Patti]

You love that phrase 'adoptive parents' don't you Steve.  You seem to believe it gives you carte blanche to assume that Jeremy hated and despised June and Neville because there was no blood tie therefore assuming there would not be love.

It's pretty insulting to the millions of adoptive families in this world who don't need blood ties or genetics to love and care for each other, very often the ties are closer than in natural families. 

The issues about attachment disorder in many instances do not mean the child does not bond but can cause an 'overbonding' with their adoptive parents and other relationships in their lives, they find it hard to let go of relationships ie Sheila with Colin. 

Of course there are some children and parents who have had very difficult adoptive experiences as there are some natural families in a similar situation

It is only in severe attachment disorders and mental health illness that this becomes dangerous. 

When an adoptive child has been abused and neglected before adoption there are particular difficulties, some children are so very, very damaged no amount of unconditional love can save them, when this occurs it is a tragedy for parents and children alike and they deserve more respect imo.
 
I would suggest you do some research into the whole complex subject and the supreme tragedies that can happen through no fault of either the adoptive parents or the adopted child.

Sorry to drag the thread off topic but it needs to be said.

Brilliant post Maggie and from one that knows.....I'll say this, for those with no experience in these matters, should learn from those that do..

[Caroline R]

You love that phrase 'adoptive parents' don't you Steve.  You seem to believe it gives you carte blanche to assume that Jeremy hated and despised June and Neville because there was no blood tie therefore assuming there would not be love.

It's pretty insulting to the millions of adoptive families in this world who don't need blood ties or genetics to love and care for each other, very often the ties are closer than in natural families. 

The issues about attachment disorder in many instances do not mean the child does not bond but can cause an 'overbonding' with their adoptive parents and other relationships in their lives, they find it hard to let go of relationships ie Sheila with Colin. 

Of course there are some children and parents who have had very difficult adoptive experiences as there are some natural families in a similar situation

It is only in severe attachment disorders and mental health illness that this becomes dangerous. 

When an adoptive child has been abused and neglected before adoption there are particular difficulties, some children are so very, very damaged no amount of unconditional love can save them, when this occurs it is a tragedy for parents and children alike and they deserve more respect imo.
 
I would suggest you do some research into the whole complex subject and the supreme tragedies that can happen through no fault of either the adoptive parents or the adopted child.

Sorry to drag the thread off topic but it needs to be said.

Fantastic post Maggie - well said!!

[No-Bits]

Hi april  the family had us all convinced the panic button existed prior to the murders they even convinced Vidvic but later said it had been a misunderstanding and Vidvic apologised or something to that effect. Think steve still believes it existed prior to the murders 

Where has this come from Susan?

How did the family have you all convinced? Vidvic mistakenly assumed it was present because Mike Teskowski told everyone it was and he was aware that one currently exists.

The 'Rellies' most certainly did not try to convince anybody of it's existence either before or after the murders.
In fact, until Vidvic asked Ann about it last year, I don't believe any of the relatives have ever mentioned the alarm publicly.

[susan]

Hello Snow Bits

maybe I should apologise and re word it that Vic had us all convinced the panic button existed pre murders and himself and Caroline had several posts she was saying it did'ent and he was saying it did he even told me its approx. location and it certainly was not in the bedroom so I therefore assumed he had been told its location.  He did very graciously apologise for his error and the thing was put to bed.  Because I assumed Vic had seen the panic button I assumed the relatives had told him.  Hands up if I got it wrong I apologise. 

[No-Bits]

Hello Snow Bits

maybe I should apologise and re word it that Vic had us all convinced the panic button existed pre murders and himself and Caroline had several posts she was saying it did'ent and he was saying it did he even told me its approx. location and it certainly was not in the bedroom so I therefore assumed he had been told its location.  He did very graciously apologise for his error and the thing was put to bed.  Because I assumed Vic had seen the panic button I assumed the relatives had told him.  Hands up if I got it wrong I apologise.

Well consider yourself corrected!    :D

The only reason I asked is because Tyler posted the same incorrect information as an example to Adam and I wondered where such nonsense originated.

Yes it was Vidvics mistake based on the fact that an alarm currently exists together with the assertion by Mike that it existed during the murders. The relatives did not tell Vidvic or anybody else that the alarm existed at the time of the murders.

[susan]

Great Snow Bits can I get up now my knees are getting so sore

[No-Bits]

Great Snow Bits can I get up now my knees are getting so sore

Why were you on your knees?  Actually, I don't want to know. 

[Alias]

I can see why susan has a way with men and is quite irresistible! 

[susan]

Alias I seem to spend my life on my knees asking for forgiveness I am always getting it wrong

[HMEssex]

Alias I seem to spend my life on my knees asking for forgiveness I am always getting it wrong

Not sure why Snow-bits picked up on such an old post.  The panic alarm has been 'put to bed' since then.

[No-Bits]

Not sure why Snow-bits picked up on such an old post.  The panic alarm has been 'put to bed' since then.

Because it was repeated recently by Tyler and I was looking for its origin.