Whose Bloodied right hand palm print was left on pages of bible?

[Jane]

We don't know definitively if it was June's underwear or Sheila's. As for Jeremy,one can't help but wonder about the past of a convicted mass murderer. I see him from an early age as not knowing where he came from,alienated from his environment,latching onto June as a child faute de mieux when strangers came to the farm hiding behind her skirts but never able to be taken in her arms for a reassuring hug,a distant father figure,likeable but working all hours on the Farm,then at an age when he's still not bonded with anyone sent away to Gresham's where again he knows nobody and is expected to conform to other people's rules. It's no wonder he couldn't wait to get away and eight years later he does flourish in the less stuffy environment of Colchester College;Jeremy is at least reassured that the fault does not lie with him when he relates at last to his fellow students,though he doesn't really have it up top to get decent A Levels or go on to university.

From this moment on Jeremy is making up for lost time,he lives for the moment and is out of control,though there's always the feeling in the back of his mind that he's got it good which keeps his behaviour in check somewhat,even though he doesn't realize how emotionally damaged he is,used as he has been all his life to hide his true feelings. It was just too much to ask of Jeremy to settle down to farm work with the 24/7 365 days a year culture, and with Nevill showing his age and June and Sheila sinking into madness Jeremy determined to take his destiny in his own hands and commit this opportunistic crime..

Steve, I'm not certain that you can have "an early age" and "faute de mieux" in the same breath. He wouldn't have understood the concept. It's also more than possible that Jeremy suffered no more emotional damage that other children. Please recall what Larkin says of parents generally!!!! It doesn't follow that children experience the same upbringing, especially so with unrelated siblings.

[Patti]

We don't know definitively if it was June's underwear or Sheila's. As for Jeremy,one can't help but wonder about the past of a convicted mass murderer. I see him from an early age as not knowing where he came from,alienated from his environment,latching onto June as a child faute de mieux when strangers came to the farm hiding behind her skirts but never able to be taken in her arms for a reassuring hug,a distant father figure,likeable but working all hours on the Farm,then at an age when he's still not bonded with anyone sent away to Gresham's where again he knows nobody and is expected to conform to other people's rules. It's no wonder he couldn't wait to get away and eight years later he does flourish in the less stuffy environment of Colchester College;Jeremy is at least reassured that the fault does not lie with him when he relates at last to his fellow students,though he doesn't really have it up top to get decent A Levels or go on to university.

From this moment on Jeremy is making up for lost time,he lives for the moment and is out of control,though there's always the feeling in the back of his mind that he's got it good which keeps his behaviour in check somewhat,even though he doesn't realize how emotionally damaged he is,used as he has been all his life to hide his true feelings. It was just too much to ask of Jeremy to settle down to farm work with the 24/7 365 days a year culture, and with Nevill showing his age and June and Sheila sinking into madness Jeremy determined to take his destiny in his own hands and commit this opportunistic crime..

Morning Steve

I don't know where Lookout got that it was June's underwear that was soaking in the buckets or that they had been taken off to show humiliation...because that is not the case.  It was Sheila that was having the period and might I add that no private parts were showing from either woman.  However NB's PJ bottoms had fallen down, I doubt in a million years that they were yanked down on purpose to show humiliation and they simple fell down due to design. 

Regarding the note with capital letters on it and the word please which was in lower case..How can anyone suggest it was a suicide note, what on earth tells anyone that is what it is? 

The hand written note between the bible might have been, but that was taken out of the equation in the early days and has never been seen since, which causes one to be suspicious, like with so many things related to this case. 

Why people put spin on things I will never know. 

[Caroline R]

You just reminded me;there was a suicide note of sorts written in capitals and numbers,wasn't there?

There is an indecipherable message but given that it's just numbers and letters, it can't be described as a suicide note. More interestingly, where is the note from the bible?

[Neil]

That the sort of thing cops do when they find something that doesn't fit into their own suspicions and theories. Evidence is carelessly lost. Just think of the repercussions if there was a suicide note.

If there were a suicide note it would have saved the Police a lot of embarrassment, as it would have supported their initial theory of four murders and suicide.

I don't, for one second, believe there was a suicide note.

[Patti]

If there were a suicide note it would have saved the Police a lot of embarrassment, as it would have supported their initial theory of four murders and suicide.

I don't, for one second, believe there was a suicide note.

Hi Neil

It would have been nice to have seen the note that was in the bible and because this went missing it allows suspicion to seep in....However, we can't discount it not being and we can't say it was...If you know what I mean... 

[susan]

Morning Neil I agree with you I don't think a suicide note existed if it did it would be long gone now I do think the note with the 3's written many times is significant to the case but what it means I am not sure think it has relgious connotations.

[susan]

Morning Patti  I would like to know what the note that was in the bible said the fact it went missing makes me want to see it more as it must have had some significance

[Patti]

Morning Patti  I would like to know what the note that was in the bible said the fact it went missing makes me want to see it more as it must have had some significance

Hi Susan

I think we would all love to see it.  No one knows what it said, it could be that June had written it and had placed it in her bible as a reminder of something.  It could be that it was a suicide note and the police saw no relevance in it, or it was placed somewhere and forgotten about....whatever it was, it's no longer available and again its gross misconduct to destroy evidence when a man is trying to prove his innocence.  Just what were the police thinking about when they made such a decision one only knows....and you would think given the technology we have today, someone would try and decipher what we can see sticking out of the bible....It could be that's its nothing, but it could be that it is.....and because its no longer available we wont ever know....how sad is that...as with all of the evidence Jeremy wont ever be able to help himself or prove his innocence one way or another and I can't understand why this argument isn't pursued in court as gross misconduct. 

[Caroline R]

If there were a suicide note it would have saved the Police a lot of embarrassment, as it would have supported their initial theory of four murders and suicide.

I don't, for one second, believe there was a suicide note.

So why why was the note from the bible never disclosed?

[susan]

Hi Patti  I think that the fact the note is no longer available speaks for itself why destroy or loose if it had no significance had the prosecution been able to use it we would have all seen it years ago.  Don't think it was a suicide note as such but could have been written by June in which she maybe stated she was concerned about Sheila's behaviour but that is me speculating now bad susan

[susan]

Hi Caroline  had the note from the Bible been disclosed it may have helped the Defence and we would not want that would we

[Patti]

So why why was the note from the bible never disclosed?

Maybe one of us should write to Essex police or London police and ask them what happened to it....I've wrote once and not got a reply......I don't think their openness is quite open yet...lol 

[Roch]

So why why was the note from the bible never disclosed?

I'll play devil's advocate or as Bridget might have argued ...  Just because it wasn't disclosed doesn't mean it was definitely a suicide note. 

The Jonestown quote is arguably indicative of a link to suicide though.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I'm not certain that you can have "an early age" and "faute de mieux" in the same breath. He wouldn't have understood the concept. It's also more than possible that Jeremy suffered no more emotional damage that other children. Please recall what Larkin says of parents generally!!!! It doesn't follow that children experience the same upbringing, especially so with unrelated siblings.

..that loneliness,that desperate and all-pervasive loneliness which Jeremy had never known anything else but, and from which he was destined never to escape,from toddler to teen,which hitherto  prepared him so well for the rest of his life as adult and for which he ultimately became grateful as the lights went out in that cold,soulless prison cell,which reminded him so easily of his Gresham’s dormitory,and his bedroom at White House Farm..

[Jane]

..that loneliness,that desperate and all-pervasive loneliness which Jeremy had never known anything else but, and from which he was destined never to escape,from toddler to teen,which hitherto  prepared him so well for the rest of his life as adult and for which he ultimately became grateful as the lights went out in that cold,soulless prison cell,which reminded him so easily of his Gresham’s dormitory,and his bedroom at White House Farm..

Had it existed it would have been recognized during the many conversations he's had with Psychologists over the years. It isn't something which can be hidden and would colour and inform his general conversations.