"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"

[Lugg]

But then again,how many parents take their children's malice so seriously that they believe their life to be in danger?

Well then. You have answered your own question. Ralph was not serious when he said it. As I said. Maldon dry humour. Many people cannot understand it.

[susan]

Morning Lugg

I have fantasised many times about killing certain members of the forum

[Lugg]

Morning Lugg

I have fantasised many times about killing certain members of the forum

erm....that sounds reasonable.

[Alias]

Morning Lugg

I have fantasised many times about killing certain members of the forum

 

[maggie]

Well then. You have answered your own question. Ralph was not serious when he said it. As I said. Maldon dry humour. Many people cannot understand it.

I understand it Lugg, it sounds like affectionate leg pulling to me 

[Daniel_day]

Alias I often thought, if indeed Ralph Bamber uttered the words "I must never turn my back on that young man" he was referring to the fact that Jeremy's birth Father had turned his back on him he certainly did not mean he was afraid he was going to kill him he would have taken some action had he seriously thought that.

Susan that was not how the remark fitted into the context into which he said it. He said it to Farm secretary Barbara  Wilson. She stated that "Nevil sagged into his seat and smoked a ciggarette, I highlighted the fact that it was unusual for him to smoke he said " I seldom do, I must not burden you with my problems, but I must never turn my back on that young man"
Anyone who tried to make out that Nevil was joking or it was some kind of 'dry humour' has completely missed the point of this conversation or they are in some kind of denial. Barbara Wilson in no uncertain terms said that Jeremy obviously getting to Nevil. Let us not forget that she was a witness to many of the events happening in WHF at that crucial time. Not merely unconnected commentators like we are.

[lookout]

Susan that was not how the remark fitted into the context into which he said it. He said it to Farm secretary Barbara  Wilson. She stated that "Nevil sagged into his seat and smoked a ciggarette, I highlighted the fact that it was unusual for him to smoke he said " I seldom do, I must not burden you with my problems, but I must never turn my back on that young man"
Anyone who tried to make out that Nevil was joking or it was some kind of 'dry humour' has completely missed the point of this conversation or they are in some kind of denial. Barbara Wilson in no uncertain terms said that Jeremy obviously getting to Nevil. Let us not forget that she was a witness to many of the events happening in WHF at that crucial time. Not merely unconnected commentators like we are.

Were you there,then,Daniel.? To know for sure that Neville had spoken in the context that you've stated.?
Barbara Wilson hadn't got a thing to say against Jeremy. She preferred him to her own son,,and wasn't frightened to admit it.

A lot of what Jeremy said,,or was purported to have said,,was taken out of context to suit the court and trial at the time because they had little else to go on to prove that Jeremy was the murderer.

[susan]

Hello Daniel

I cannot disagree with what you are saying just think if Ralph Bamber had serious doubts about Jeremy killing him he would have taken more positive steps and kept all the guns under lock and key.  I always feel it is difficult to relay a sentence to another as it can loose the context of how it was meant.  He may have been disappointed in the way Jeremy was performing on the farm and meant I will be watching him who knows I was not present at the time.  The very same Barbara Wilson seems to have stated she thought more about Jeremy than her own son.  As I have said earlier I would never be so arrogant to say what you are saying is not correct because I just don't know.  Perhaps you can give me your thoughts on where was Sheila when Jeremy was shooting June and Ralph and the twins she was not sedated we know that from the PM report and she would have fought anyone to save her boys.

[Alias]

Susan that was not how the remark fitted into the context into which he said it. He said it to Farm secretary Barbara  Wilson. She stated that "Nevil sagged into his seat and smoked a ciggarette, I highlighted the fact that it was unusual for him to smoke he said " I seldom do, I must not burden you with my problems, but I must never turn my back on that young man"
Anyone who tried to make out that Nevil was joking or it was some kind of 'dry humour' has completely missed the point of this conversation or they are in some kind of denial. Barbara Wilson in no uncertain terms said that Jeremy obviously getting to Nevil. Let us not forget that she was a witness to many of the events happening in WHF at that crucial time. Not merely unconnected commentators like we are.

Personally I am not claiming that RB was joking.
Barbara Wilson was the farm secretary. Don´t you think it is more likely that Ralph Bamber was referring to Jeremy´s work ethics, or lack thereof? A struggle for Ralph to make his half-spoilt son take on the workload Ralph expected of him.
In my mind that is much more likely than that R was afraid of getting killed... sounds like a far out thing to say to your secretary.

[Daniel_day]

Were you there,then,Daniel.? To know for sure that Neville had spoken in the context that you've stated.?
Barbara Wilson hadn't got a thing to say against Jeremy. She preferred him to her own son,,and wasn't frightened to admit it.

A lot of what Jeremy said,,or was purported to have said,,was taken out of context to suit the court and trial at the time because they had little else to go on to prove that Jeremy was the murderer.

You already know the answer to that question. I could easily ask the same of you............have you not been prognosticating on this matter aslo? Then were you there? How do you know which context this was spoken in?
I am using a witnesses statement not a guessing game. If Barbara Wilson says it happened thus; I think that this far outweights what anyone else has to say on the matter.

[Daniel_day]

I understand it Lugg, it sounds like affectionate leg pulling to me 

Leg pulling? Have you actually read about what context this remark was said in?

[Daniel_day]

Don't know about you, NaNu, but I can hear the provocation that prompted the replies to Uncle Bobby and Doris Foakes. As for the conversation he had with James Richard, what's the betting he couldn't remember a thing about it the next morning.

And you point here is what? Bamber could make such statements and then forget them a few hours later? I really do not think your statement helps Bamber at all or paints him in anything but a callous light.

[lookout]

You already know the answer to that question. I could easily ask the same of you............have you not been prognosticating on this matter aslo? Then were you there? How do you know which context this was spoken in?
I am using a witnesses statement not a guessing game. If Barbara Wilson says it happened thus; I think that this far outweights what anyone else has to say on the matter.

Daniel,,I don't need,or read witness statements or books. I've studied the case from" both" sides as I remember when the tragedy happened in 1985,,and even back then,I told myself that Jeremy hadn't done it. By coming onto this forum over a year ago,,it refreshed my memory and I had began to have niggling doubts about my personal decision of not guilty.
I've read the full case in the archives and re-formed my original opinion.
One thing I don't do is force my opinion onto anyone.

[tyler]

Daniel,could you please point me to where I can find BW's witness statement? Only I have been studying the case for a few years now and have never seen it. Also,it was to RWB that Neville was alleged to have said "I must never turn my back on that young man". From the content of your posts it is obvious that you gained your information on the case from the Wilkes book. Unfortunately the book is very outdated with regards to the Bamber case.

[Lugg]

Susan that was not how the remark fitted into the context into which he said it. He said it to Farm secretary Barbara  Wilson. She stated that "Nevil sagged into his seat and smoked a ciggarette, I highlighted the fact that it was unusual for him to smoke he said " I seldom do, I must not burden you with my problems, but I must never turn my back on that young man"
Anyone who tried to make out that Nevil was joking or it was some kind of 'dry humour' has completely missed the point of this conversation or they are in some kind of denial. Barbara Wilson in no uncertain terms said that Jeremy obviously getting to Nevil. Let us not forget that she was a witness to many of the events happening in WHF at that crucial time. Not merely unconnected commentators like we are.

You tend to forget that this could have had another meaning. He could have meant that he must never give up on him. He must not turn his back on him in that way. It seems to be a very strange thing for one member of the family unit if he meant it in any other way. And even Barbara Wilson may have understood it in that way. In any case I was not referring to that sentence when I referred to any kind of humour.