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Offline Daniel_day

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« Reply #600 on: May 23, 2013, 02:42:PM »

Unless of course, the woman happens to be your beloved daughter who you know to have been ill for several years. I feel it was much more likely that it was a case of "Darling, please put the gun down before you hurt yourself" and other gentle remonstrations. At this point I think she only HAD the gun which is very different from using it.
No April, not plausible. I am sure Nevil would not have done this. You see you are forgetting one important little point - the gun had ALREADY been used to shoot June. Nevil must have been present when it occurred. This is certainly not something that you now try to negotiate - the time for that had long past. 'darling please put down the gun'? after what he had already witnessed?
I am ost for words that you could even suggest such an highly improbable scenario.

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« Reply #601 on: May 23, 2013, 02:43:PM »
I wonder what our resident respected criminologist/successful author makes of the new member studying criminology? Maybe if Daniel purchases the new book available later in the year,he may learn a few new things?



I can only imagine,,tyler.

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« Reply #602 on: May 23, 2013, 02:44:PM »
Hello tyler I was wondering the same thing maybe he will pick up a few tips to include in his book but then again he is hoping for another best seller ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #603 on: May 23, 2013, 02:50:PM »
I wonder what our resident respected criminologist/successful author makes of the new member studying criminology? Maybe if Daniel purchases the new book available later in the year,he may learn a few new things?

I wouldn't hold your breath...

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« Reply #604 on: May 23, 2013, 02:52:PM »
No April, not plausible. I am sure Nevil would not have done this. You see you are forgetting one important little point - the gun had ALREADY been used to shoot June. Nevil must have been present when it occurred. This is certainly not something that you now try to negotiate - the time for that had long past. 'darling please put down the gun'? after what he had already witnessed?
I am ost for words that you could even suggest such an highly improbable scenario.
How do you know that June had already been shot?  It's possible Neville was killed before June,  If Sheila managed to shoot him from behind and disable him after the phone call, maybe that's why the phone was left as it was off the hook. before he had any idea she was capable of such a thing then she could have easily finished him off surely?

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« Reply #605 on: May 23, 2013, 03:02:PM »
I wouldn't hold your breath...
Yawn...

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« Reply #606 on: May 23, 2013, 03:02:PM »
No NN I do not subscribe to what you have just stated. You have trawled and then made fit - a poor way of arguing if I may be so bold. Tracie Andrews stabbed her boyfriend repeatedly before he even had time to defend himself (in his back numerous times) or fight back so to use this as an example is not appropriate. Jane Andrews smashed her boyfriend with a cricket bat and then stabbed him with a kitchen knife while he slept,  again NOT an appropriate example. The closest recent example is Jodi Arias very recently convicted of her ex-boyfriend's grisly murder. However, she also gave him little chance to fight back. NN, Nevil had the chance to fight back - entirely different scenarios tot he one you have used as 'examples. Furthermore, the multiple reviews in prison would seem a complete nonsense if he was a psychopath. Since this is deemed pretty much a lifelong condition, what would they exactly be expecting to change? I would very much like to see these 'reports' and on what basis they were conducted. The eminent psychologist DID examine Bamber - a man brought in by the defense at his original trial back in 1986. The defense team were very nonplussed by the result in which they awere very much hoping would show Bamber as perfectly normal. As a result of the examination they decided - rather shredly not to use his testimony.
NN the ability to push things out of your mind and psychopathy are two VERY different things. It seems you may have confused the two. We all have the ability to push certain unpleasant aspects of our lives out if our mind to 'put it to the back of our minds' is a human virtue, and allows us to get on with other more important things, temporarily. However, to put the brutal murder of 5 of your family to the back of your mind is a something else. A detective that questioned Jeremy bamber stated that he felt there was 'something missing' with him - of course you will scoff at this, just like most things the police have done that point towards Bamber;s guilt, but it does highlight Bamber's disturbing ability to remain totally unconcerned, and hgave rise to the suspicions that he was involved in the first place. Therefore it was highly significant.



Daniel, in 1985 I was convinced of Jeremy's guilt. I was also convinced that he had buried what he's done. As you pointed out a psychopath wouldn't have done this because they would not have felt the need and, as you say there are differences between those of us who bury what we can't cope with and psychopaths. After all this time in prison, had he just buried his crime, I think the mask would have slipped, much in the way as soldiers who fought during the war and never revealed the horrors they witnessed. Many of these men, now in their 90s are experiencing unspeakable nightmares. What they believed had been successfully buried is clawing it's way out. I am totally convinced that had he buried it, by now he would be experiencing, if not flashbacks, perhaps a moments recall of the pleading in his parents' eyes or something they may have said. It may cause him to catch his breath, or forget what he is saying, or cause him to be far away. It will surely have been revealed during one of the many tests that he's been subjected to.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #607 on: May 23, 2013, 03:10:PM »
No April, not plausible. I am sure Nevil would not have done this. You see you are forgetting one important little point - the gun had ALREADY been used to shoot June. Nevil must have been present when it occurred. This is certainly not something that you now try to negotiate - the time for that had long past. 'darling please put down the gun'? after what he had already witnessed?
I am ost for words that you could even suggest such an highly improbable scenario.


If you have read my scenario, you haven't understood it. I said that Nevill followed Sheila downstairs. I didn't say ANYTHING about her having shot June first. What, at that point do you think she used to shoot June with? I maintain that a struggle occurred in the kitchen when she picked up the gun. He couldn't possibly have fought with her AFTER she had shot June, he was too badly wounded himself.......................IMO

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« Reply #608 on: May 23, 2013, 03:13:PM »

If you have read my scenario, you haven't understood it. I said that Nevill followed Sheila downstairs. I didn't say ANYTHING about her having shot June first. What, at that point do you think she used to shoot June with? I maintain that a struggle occurred in the kitchen when she picked up the gun. He couldn't possibly have fought with her AFTER she had shot June, he was too badly wounded himself.......................IMO

Why are you bothering April?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #609 on: May 23, 2013, 03:29:PM »
Why are you bothering April?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Point duly ignored.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #610 on: May 23, 2013, 03:31:PM »
Why are you bothering April?  ;D ;D ;D ;D



I'm beginning to wonder, Caroline. (gives a sigh of disappointment and resignation)

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« Reply #612 on: May 23, 2013, 03:36:PM »
Hello Caroline laugh and the world laughs with you cry and you cry alone ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #613 on: May 23, 2013, 03:37:PM »
Hello Caroline laugh and the world laughs with you cry and you cry alone ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh, I'm laughing Susan!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #614 on: May 23, 2013, 03:40:PM »

If you have read my scenario, you haven't understood it. I said that Nevill followed Sheila downstairs. I didn't say ANYTHING about her having shot June first. What, at that point do you think she used to shoot June with? I maintain that a struggle occurred in the kitchen when she picked up the gun. He couldn't possibly have fought with her AFTER she had shot June, he was too badly wounded himself.......................IMO
You have Nevil 'following a woman' with a loaded gun downstairs?? NOT plausible. Moreover what is June doing while Nevil is being shot and beaten to death??? erm ....lying in bed. Because that is where she was shot. NOT plausible. IMO June was shot while Nevil was still in the room. Bamber had possibly eiether burst in on them or Nevil had heard a noise and was ambushed outside the bedroom door, where he was shot and injured. Bamber shot June from the bedroom dorr (as cartridges attest) I believe Bamber then led Nevil down the stairs where Bamber's plan nearly came to  a sticky end as he had run out of bullets. A fight ensued which Bamber won, it was here that Bamber shot his father multiple times in the head after beating him senseless with the butt of the gun. He reloaded hastily from the kitchen dresser where bullets were later found.