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« Reply #585 on: May 23, 2013, 12:42:PM »
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« Reply #586 on: May 23, 2013, 01:14:PM »
Hi N/N  I am sure you could be of spiritual assistance to a happy sinner like me ;D or maybe you will ditch the robes and join me ;D ;D ;D

Hi Susan

Yes I believe I could show you that there's more to life than the shallow and superficial one you seem to live especially with regard to your role as temptress with your pole for financial reward ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #587 on: May 23, 2013, 01:24:PM »
Hello N/N I do declare I think I should start getting out more as the life I lead is more appropriate to the robes you wear ;D ;D ;D well at least I have my Salvation Army Activities which can be quite riveting especially when I am out of control with my tambourine ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)

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« Reply #588 on: May 23, 2013, 01:24:PM »
April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.

For somebody who professed to know little about the case, you seem to have rapidly become au fait with a specific (and very familiar) approach to the case. 

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« Reply #589 on: May 23, 2013, 01:30:PM »
April, I am intrigues  by the repeated suggestions that he has been tested numerous times. Why may I ask would someone be tested this amount of times? Have you seen all the reports?
I also understand that an eminent psychologist brought in by the defense also thought he was a textbook case.
Yes Sheila was extremely uncoordinated. This has been mentioned numerous times by relatives who actually SAW her in the time leading up to her death. An uncoordinated, 9 stone woman is highly unlikely to be the culprit of this crime April. However, a fit, young man in the prime of his life definitely is - you can see why people have such a hard time believing Sheila's culpability.




Daniel,,I'm sure you've come across the saying,: " the bigger they come,,the harder they fall."
Take boxing for instance,,you have a tall slim chap in one corner and a more stocky one in the other corner,,,both weighing the same. The stocky one can land the punches,but the taller one has the energy to avoid and dodge them.
Yes,,Neville was a big made chap,,but he was also tired and a lot older than Sheila,,who had the energy to tear around the place,up and down the stairs,and was also brandishing a rifle,so you don't argue with anyone who's armed. Neville was also opposed to hitting a woman,or he could possibly have knocked Sheila cold. As for if it had been Jeremy,,then Neville would,I'm sure,have put Jeremy on his back before any more damage was done.
The nature of the shootings was frenzied and done quickly,with the extra surety that all were dead,,finishing with the suicide of herself. The ratio of women murdering their children has risen over the years and is appx 39, and to men,being 51. Which means that it is still men who are the most likely to kill their own children,,but as it happened,the twins didn't belong to Jeremy.

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« Reply #590 on: May 23, 2013, 01:48:PM »
For somebody who professed to know little about the case, you seem to have rapidly become au fait with a specific (and very familiar) approach to the case.
Roch,
I am not interested in in petty nonsense. If you have a problem with my point of view then say so. If you have a point about the case feel free to debate it with me, if not, feel free to abstain.

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« Reply #591 on: May 23, 2013, 01:57:PM »
Roch,
I am not interested in in petty nonsense. If you have a problem with my point of view then say so. If you have a point about the case feel free to debate it with me, if not, feel free to abstain.



Hey ho,,here we go again.! What on earth are you going to do when you reach court and you have the judge firing questions at you,,or the prosecuting lawyer twisting your words as you seek to defend some poor sod.?  You have to get a backbone before you become a lawyer.

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« Reply #592 on: May 23, 2013, 02:02:PM »



Daniel,,I'm sure you've come across the saying,: " the bigger they come,,the harder they fall."
Take boxing for instance,,you have a tall slim chap in one corner and a more stocky one in the other corner,,,both weighing the same. The stocky one can land the punches,but the taller one has the energy to avoid and dodge them.
Yes,,Neville was a big made chap,,but he was also tired and a lot older than Sheila,,who had the energy to tear around the place,up and down the stairs,and was also brandishing a rifle,so you don't argue with anyone who's armed. Neville was also opposed to hitting a woman,or he could possibly have knocked Sheila cold. As for if it had been Jeremy,,then Neville would,I'm sure,have put Jeremy on his back before any more damage was done.
The nature of the shootings was frenzied and done quickly,with the extra surety that all were dead,,finishing with the suicide of herself. The ratio of women murdering their children has risen over the years and is appx 39, and to men,being 51. Which means that it is still men who are the most likely to kill their own children,,but as it happened,the twins didn't belong to Jeremy.
Come on Lookout....if you are fighting for your life and possibly that of your entire household the absolute last thing you going to be worried about is hitting a woman, in order to save them. Come on, that excuse is not even remotely plausible.
Secondly a boxing bout is nearly always between two men and there is a reason for it. Men are far stronger physically than women are - let me know the next time you see one between a woman and a man. Nevil was 61....hardly geriatric is it? He was a fit farmer, who, by all accounts lived a rather spartan and healhy lifestyle. - Back to boxing George Foreman won the heavyweight Championship of the world at the age of 46 knocking out a man half his age. The old adage 'the biiger they are the harder they fall' is a boxing adage applied to boxers that are of different sizes - this is certainly not always the case and certainly not meant as caveat to a physical fight to the death between a man and a woman. Moreover, age had nothing to do with this at all if you are fit- despite what Bamber later claimed about his 'over-the-hill father'
Sheila had the energy to 'tear around the place'?? She was uncoordinated and slow. How you can say this is a mystery to me? maybe you can explain it to me?
Sorry Lookout but what you said doesn't make any sense to me at all.

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« Reply #593 on: May 23, 2013, 02:08:PM »


Hey ho,,here we go again.! What on earth are you going to do when you reach court and you have the judge firing questions at you,,or the prosecuting lawyer twisting your words as you seek to defend some poor sod.?  You have to get a backbone before you become a lawyer.
I resent that Lookout How dare you suggest that I 'have to get a backbone' just for responding to a nasty comment. Sorry Lookout but it must be said. I will ask you a straight forward question right here and right now because I for one am starting to question the reasons why you are so blatently vitriolic.........did you read the comment that Roch wrote? HOW do you expect me to respond to such a comment?  Are you seriously suggesting that I ignore and not defend myself, therefore let this person get away with a totally unwarranted and unsolicited accusation? What would you do Lookout?
I am waiting for your sage council......I am all ears
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« Reply #594 on: May 23, 2013, 02:17:PM »
Come on Lookout....if you are fighting for your life and possibly that of your entire household the absolute last thing you going to be worried about is hitting a woman, in order to save them. Come on, that excuse is not even remotely plausible.
Secondly a boxing bout is nearly always between two men and there is a reason for it. Men are far stronger physically than women are - let me know the next time you see one between a woman and a man. Nevil was 61....hardly geriatric is it? He was a fit farmer, who, by all accounts lived a rather spartan and healhy lifestyle. - Back to boxing George Foreman won the heavyweight Championship of the world at the age of 46 knocking out a man half his age. The old adage 'the biiger they are the harder they fall' is a boxing adage applied to boxers that are of different sizes - this is certainly not always the case and certainly not meant as caveat to a physical fight to the death between a man and a woman. Moreover, age had nothing to do with this at all if you are fit- despite what Bamber later claimed about his 'over-the-hill father'
Sheila had the energy to 'tear around the place'?? She was uncoordinated and slow. How you can say this is a mystery to me? maybe you can explain it to me?
Sorry Lookout but what you said doesn't make any sense to me at all.





Daniel,,don't underestimate my knowledge about the case and also the physiological and psychological state of the inhabitants at WHF,,as to what they were or weren't capable of. Perhaps you should read up about cannabis and psychotic illness,,and maybe it'll give you the sense that you say you lack in reading my post.


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« Reply #595 on: May 23, 2013, 02:18:PM »
Come on Lookout....if you are fighting for your life and possibly that of your entire household the absolute last thing you going to be worried about is hitting a woman, in order to save them..


Unless of course, the woman happens to be your beloved daughter who you know to have been ill for several years. I feel it was much more likely that it was a case of "Darling, please put the gun down before you hurt yourself" and other gentle remonstrations. At this point I think she only HAD the gun which is very different from using it.

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Re: "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
« Reply #596 on: May 23, 2013, 02:32:PM »
I resent that Lookout How dare you suggest that I 'have to get a backbone' just for responding to a nasty comment. Sorry Lookout but it must be said. I will ask you a straight forward question right here and right now because I for one am starting to question the reasons why you are so blatently vitriolic.........did you read the comment that Roch wrote? HOW do you expect me to respond to such a comment?  Are you seriously suggesting that I ignore and not defend myself, therefore let this person get away with a totally unwarranted and unsolicited accusation? What would you do Lookout?
I am waiting for your sage council......I am all ears




Sorry Daniel,,but you're at it again.For Gods' sake. Oh yes,,defend yourself by all means,,,but let others also defend themselves without chapter and verse from you. You've,in effect,called my post senseless because it didn't make sense to YOU.! So don't expect me to sit back and say nothing.

No,,I haven't yet read Rochs' post,,so I will look and form my own opinion without your input,thank you very much. I let a lot of things go over my head.Why not try it yourself.?

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« Reply #597 on: May 23, 2013, 02:35:PM »
Hi Daniel

I think you will find that its pretty standard for violent offenders to be reviewed on an annual basis.  As I understand it JB's life sentence is exactly that ie no chance of parole but if this should ever change then I guess his psychological profile during his prison term would be taken into account. 

I don't believe the 'eminent' psychologist you refer to actually met with JB.  I think his defence discussed JB with the 'eminent' psychologist a few days before trial and apparently he/she said something along the lines of JB shows all the signs of a psychopathy as he was able to push things out of his mind.  If this is the case it doesn't seem a very fair assessment ie a diagnosis without actually meeting the individual face-to-face.  Imo prior to the trial JB was suffering the loss/grief of his entire immediate adoptive family and facing a criminal trial for murdering them so I guess it could be seen as a blessing if he was able to push some things out of his mind or it might have been overload.

The fact is there is no evidence to support the theory that JB was/is a psychopath only that he isn't as per the following:

http://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

With regard to SC there are plenty of petite women who have killed men and without the advantage of a loaded gun.  Please see the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracie_Andrews

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Andrews

The frightening thing is I've only started on the 'A's  ;)
No NN I do not subscribe to what you have just stated. You have trawled and then made fit - a poor way of arguing if I may be so bold. Tracie Andrews stabbed her boyfriend repeatedly before he even had time to defend himself (in his back numerous times) or fight back so to use this as an example is not appropriate. Jane Andrews smashed her boyfriend with a cricket bat and then stabbed him with a kitchen knife while he slept,  again NOT an appropriate example. The closest recent example is Jodi Arias very recently convicted of her ex-boyfriend's grisly murder. However, she also gave him little chance to fight back. NN, Nevil had the chance to fight back - entirely different scenarios tot he one you have used as 'examples. Furthermore, the multiple reviews in prison would seem a complete nonsense if he was a psychopath. Since this is deemed pretty much a lifelong condition, what would they exactly be expecting to change? I would very much like to see these 'reports' and on what basis they were conducted. The eminent psychologist DID examine Bamber - a man brought in by the defense at his original trial back in 1986. The defense team were very nonplussed by the result in which they awere very much hoping would show Bamber as perfectly normal. As a result of the examination they decided - rather shredly not to use his testimony.
NN the ability to push things out of your mind and psychopathy are two VERY different things. It seems you may have confused the two. We all have the ability to push certain unpleasant aspects of our lives out if our mind to 'put it to the back of our minds' is a human virtue, and allows us to get on with other more important things, temporarily. However, to put the brutal murder of 5 of your family to the back of your mind is a something else. A detective that questioned Jeremy bamber stated that he felt there was 'something missing' with him - of course you will scoff at this, just like most things the police have done that point towards Bamber;s guilt, but it does highlight Bamber's disturbing ability to remain totally unconcerned, and hgave rise to the suspicions that he was involved in the first place. Therefore it was highly significant.

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« Reply #598 on: May 23, 2013, 02:38:PM »



Sorry Daniel,,but you're at it again.For Gods' sake. Oh yes,,defend yourself by all means,,,but let others also defend themselves without chapter and verse from you. You've,in effect,called my post senseless because it didn't make sense to YOU.! So don't expect me to sit back and say nothing.

No,,I haven't yet read Rochs' post,,so I will look and form my own opinion without your input,thank you very much. I let a lot of things go over my head.Why not try it yourself.?






Just read Rochs' post,,and to be perfectly honest,,I don't see ANYTHING in it to cause a hissy fit at all.
I can't believe that you'd take umbridge over that. Lord help us.!

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« Reply #599 on: May 23, 2013, 02:41:PM »
I wonder what our resident respected criminologist/successful author makes of the new member studying criminology? Maybe if Daniel purchases the new book available later in the year,he may learn a few new things?