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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #960 on: March 15, 2014, 05:00:PM »
So are you saying that June messed up both her adopted children?



Alias, I don't know if June was any harder on her children than she was on herself. She lived by what she believed to be very strong Christian and moral ethics and tried to instill them in her children. Sadly, her God appears NOT to have been a loving and forgiving God and she seems to have forgotten that His son supposedly said "Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven" Her God appears to have been harsh and unforgiving.

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« Reply #961 on: March 15, 2014, 05:02:PM »
Also interesting to notice from the Ann Eaton statement is that once when she went to Goldhanger and knocked on the door at Jeremy´s cottage, Julie opened the door and was upset that another female came a-knocking. Ann explained that she was Jeremy´s cousin, so Julie let her in.
Jealous Julie, possessive Julie. If I can´t have you, nobody else can-Julie...


So after nearly two years of courtship, Julie wasn't exactly on intimate terms with Jeremy's family, was she?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #962 on: March 15, 2014, 05:57:PM »
Alias Jeremy's birth Father seems to have forgotten that Jeremy is carrying his genes and behaviour of children developes from upbringing and inherited genes :'(
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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #963 on: March 15, 2014, 06:09:PM »
Alias Jeremy's birth Father seems to have forgotten that Jeremy is carrying his genes and behaviour of children developes from upbringing and inherited genes :'(

Well, his father comes across as a cold human being. Aren´t people saying about Jeremy that he isn´t the nicest man on this planet? Makes sense....

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #964 on: March 15, 2014, 06:34:PM »
Alias I have heard different reports about Jeremy Bamber.  I think when he was young he was his own worst enemy and I am sure I would not have liked him.  After serving all these years in prison fo a crime he knows he did not commit must have had an adverse effect on him.  It is said he is a user of people but probably due to his situation he is not aware of this and he is merely taking advantage of people who are offering to help him but does not mean to cause them hurt. It would appear he is liked my his fellow inmates but I suspect he has this aloof attitude that he would have inherited from his birth Father and that is just part of Jeremy's makeup and the way he is.
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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #965 on: March 22, 2014, 03:42:PM »
I've just been going through AE's WS and it struck me for the first time just how great a gap there was in ages between her and Sheila. Ann was nearly 9 years Sheila's senior. That alone would have made difficult a relationship if they'd been siblings, 7 years being the cut off point beyond which they would have been referred to as "only" children. But Ann and Sheila weren't biological siblings, they were cousins by adoption, which I suspect, for all manner of reasons, made their relationship difficult almost to the point of non existence.

I have always said that I think Ann and her brother grew up hearing thir father whinge about the money the Bambers were "wasting" on Sheila and Jeremy. Money which he believed should have eventually have come to HIS children, but taking on board the HUGE age gap, I think they'd probably been told all their lives, long before the advent of their adopted cousins, that as the Bambers were childless, one day what they had would come to Ann and David. If this was so, I imagine that 9 year old Ann, when she first saw Sheila in a pram, looked on her without warmth.

IMO, it's now certain that Ann knew NOTHING of Sheila's life, save the snippets she had passed to her second hand. I can say this with total confidence because if ALL other variables are removed, there is still the 9 year age gap. When Sheila had no more than just started school, Ann was almost at the point of leaving school. Ann didn't have the luxury of modelling school, for her it was the graft of secretarial  college. In Ann's eyes, even if she's been told that Sheila may not be quite well, I imagine that all she saw was Sheila wafting around and being supported by money, that was it not for her adoption, COULD have come her way. We hear it in almost every sentence where she speaks of Sheila. She speaks of the Bambers spending their OR might that be "THEIR" money on her as if they are giving it to a stranger rather than their own daughter.

But it seems she knew Sheila well enough to say of her that "she couldn't put beans on toast" but she didn't stop to think about, having received from her, but not bothered to reply to, the only letter which had ever passed between them, how Sheila had managed to hold the pen to write it.

I think as a small girl, Sheila may have liked to be friends with her big cousin and I believe that as an adult she went on trying. I find it very poignant when I hear Ann talk about how Sheila told her she looked pretty, and the times that Sheila wanted to talk but she, Ann, was too busy, had things to do. I find myself wondering if she ever once willingly spent time with Sheila and really listened to her but I suspect that the angry indoctrinations of her father deafened her.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #966 on: March 22, 2014, 04:46:PM »
I've just been going through AE's WS and it struck me for the first time just how great a gap there was in ages between her and Sheila. Ann was nearly 9 years Sheila's senior. That alone would have made difficult a relationship if they'd been siblings, 7 years being the cut off point beyond which they would have been referred to as "only" children. But Ann and Sheila weren't biological siblings, they were cousins by adoption, which I suspect, for all manner of reasons, made their relationship difficult almost to the point of non existence.

I have always said that I think Ann and her brother grew up hearing thir father whinge about the money the Bambers were "wasting" on Sheila and Jeremy. Money which he believed should have eventually have come to HIS children, but taking on board the HUGE age gap, I think they'd probably been told all their lives, long before the advent of their adopted cousins, that as the Bambers were childless, one day what they had would come to Ann and David. If this was so, I imagine that 9 year old Ann, when she first saw Sheila in a pram, looked on her without warmth.

IMO, it's now certain that Ann knew NOTHING of Sheila's life, save the snippets she had passed to her second hand. I can say this with total confidence because if ALL other variables are removed, there is still the 9 year age gap. When Sheila had no more than just started school, Ann was almost at the point of leaving school. Ann didn't have the luxury of modelling school, for her it was the graft of secretarial  college. In Ann's eyes, even if she's been told that Sheila may not be quite well, I imagine that all she saw was Sheila wafting around and being supported by money, that was it not for her adoption, COULD have come her way. We hear it in almost every sentence where she speaks of Sheila. She speaks of the Bambers spending their OR might that be "THEIR" money on her as if they are giving it to a stranger rather than their own daughter.

But it seems she knew Sheila well enough to say of her that "she couldn't put beans on toast" but she didn't stop to think about, having received from her, but not bothered to reply to, the only letter which had ever passed between them, how Sheila had managed to hold the pen to write it.

I think as a small girl, Sheila may have liked to be friends with her big cousin and I believe that as an adult she went on trying. I find it very poignant when I hear Ann talk about how Sheila told her she looked pretty, and the times that Sheila wanted to talk but she, Ann, was too busy, had things to do. I find myself wondering if she ever once willingly spent time with Sheila and really listened to her but I suspect that the angry indoctrinations of her father deafened her.

Good post, April, I believe there is a lot of truth in this.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #967 on: March 22, 2014, 09:09:PM »
I can also recognise the resentment of the blood relations towards Sheila and Jeremy. The "cuckoos" in the nest would supplant them where wills are concerned. Who I wonder would have inherited the Bamber's fortune with both Sheila and Jeremy out of the way?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #968 on: March 22, 2014, 09:45:PM »
Grahame, wealth is relative and if RWB had bought Ann up with the knowledge that one day she'd be wealthy because her aunt and uncle had no one else to leave all their money to -he couldn't, of course be totally certain it would happen, but I feel sure a child would have clung to the dream- she would have felt HUGE jealousy, anger and resentment towards Sheila from the moment she first saw her. It MIGHT have been bad enough to make her pull wallpaper off the wall.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #969 on: March 22, 2014, 09:51:PM »
We are going to remove some old wallpaper soon. I think I´ll invite Ann over...  :P

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #970 on: March 22, 2014, 09:55:PM »
We are going to remove some old wallpaper soon. I think I´ll invite Ann over...  :P
Think she's pretty good at it, Alias.  ;) ;)

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« Reply #971 on: March 22, 2014, 10:01:PM »
Think she's pretty good at it, Alias.  ;) ;)


Maggie, a life time of internalized anger will have the energy of a nuclear bomb when it's released.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #972 on: March 23, 2014, 07:59:AM »
I've just been going through AE's WS and it struck me for the first time just how great a gap there was in ages between her and Sheila. Ann was nearly 9 years Sheila's senior. That alone would have made difficult a relationship if they'd been siblings, 7 years being the cut off point beyond which they would have been referred to as "only" children. But Ann and Sheila weren't biological siblings, they were cousins by adoption, which I suspect, for all manner of reasons, made their relationship difficult almost to the point of non existence.

I have always said that I think Ann and her brother grew up hearing thir father whinge about the money the Bambers were "wasting" on Sheila and Jeremy. Money which he believed should have eventually have come to HIS children, but taking on board the HUGE age gap, I think they'd probably been told all their lives, long before the advent of their adopted cousins, that as the Bambers were childless, one day what they had would come to Ann and David. If this was so, I imagine that 9 year old Ann, when she first saw Sheila in a pram, looked on her without warmth.

IMO, it's now certain that Ann knew NOTHING of Sheila's life, save the snippets she had passed to her second hand. I can say this with total confidence because if ALL other variables are removed, there is still the 9 year age gap. When Sheila had no more than just started school, Ann was almost at the point of leaving school. Ann didn't have the luxury of modelling school, for her it was the graft of secretarial  college. In Ann's eyes, even if she's been told that Sheila may not be quite well, I imagine that all she saw was Sheila wafting around and being supported by money, that was it not for her adoption, COULD have come her way. We hear it in almost every sentence where she speaks of Sheila. She speaks of the Bambers spending their OR might that be "THEIR" money on her as if they are giving it to a stranger rather than their own daughter.

But it seems she knew Sheila well enough to say of her that "she couldn't put beans on toast" but she didn't stop to think about, having received from her, but not bothered to reply to, the only letter which had ever passed between them, how Sheila had managed to hold the pen to write it.

I think as a small girl, Sheila may have liked to be friends with her big cousin and I believe that as an adult she went on trying. I find it very poignant when I hear Ann talk about how Sheila told her she looked pretty, and the times that Sheila wanted to talk but she, Ann, was too busy, had things to do. I find myself wondering if she ever once willingly spent time with Sheila and really listened to her but I suspect that the angry indoctrinations of her father deafened her.
Well written and I do accept some of the cuckoo argument,even though I believe Robert Boutflour would have kept this feeling behind closed doors as befitted the period where appearance was everything. However with the development of the Osea Road caravan park the Boutflours were becoming wealthy in their own right,and Ann and David would also have received their mother's half share of Mabel Speakman's estate,which as we know was a considerable sum. As for Sheila, she was sent round to Oak Farm by June to char for Ann Eaton,which is how Ann would know Sheila couldn't put beans on toast if she were preparing meals for Ann's children,and one assumes that in hospital she would have been stabilized medically enough for her to have had the capacity to write to her cousin,an act of friendliness I would have thought and atypical of someone who was bearing a grudge.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #973 on: March 23, 2014, 08:33:AM »
Well written and I do accept some of the cuckoo argument,even though I believe Robert Boutflour would have kept this feeling behind closed doors as befitted the period where appearance was everything. However with the development of the Osea Road caravan park the Boutflours were becoming wealthy in their own right,and Ann and David would also have received their mother's half share of Mabel Speakman's estate,which as we know was a considerable sum. As for Sheila, she was sent round to Oak Farm by June to char for Ann Eaton,which is how Ann would know Sheila couldn't put beans on toast if she were preparing meals for Ann's children,and one assumes that in hospital she would have been stabilized medically enough for her to have had the capacity to write to her cousin,an act of friendliness I would have thought and atypical of someone who was bearing a grudge.



STEVE!!! Good Morning. Lovely to have you with us again and THANK YOU.

I hear what you say. Ann and David were never going to be on the breadline. They were assured of  very generous funds but as I said to Grahame in a later post, wealth is relative and it's my opinion that RWB saw HIS family being deprived of something which was THEIRS. One can NEVER be too rich. I'm perfectly certain that these feelings didn't see the light of day beyond the four walls of his family home and even there, they may NOT have been overt but little ears hear things. Ann would have had to dredge very deep into her memory to recall that Sheila couldn't put beans on toast. It must have been 10 years, MORE, I believe it was in the school holidays, since she did char duties for her.

The letter she wrote from the hospital. Steve, did you really think I was suggesting that Sheila held some sort of grudge against Ann? I think Sheila sensed Ann's dislike but had no idea what caused it, she probably thought, because children do and it lasts through to adulthood, that SHE had caused it. The letter was about Sheila wanting Ann to be her friend. We can hear her saying that whatever it was she'd been in the past, she was different now. Sheila was asking Ann for understanding and, I think, forgiveness. Poor love, it had NEVER been her fault that she was going to inherit something her cousin believed should have been hers, but nonetheless I don't believe Ann ever forgave her for it.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #974 on: March 23, 2014, 10:25:AM »
Sheila was looking to AE as a " big sister ",aww,poor girlie. Looking for someone to confide in,,in her own way. How very sad.