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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #120 on: April 26, 2013, 09:03:AM »
Of course he got no sleep,another symptom of drug abuse. We have to accept that Jeremy watched some television so as to provide himself with an alibi,then went upstairs to sleep yet managed to answer a telephone call from his father in the middle of the night,though we don't know how long Nevill was kept holding at the White House Farm end. We have to swallow that Nevill knew the Bourtree Cottage number by heart,and also accept that Jeremy in his stupor flicks through a telephone directory when he could just have dialled 999,which is what Nevill would have done in the first place from the Farm had he managed to reach a telephone that morning.

The 999 call is irrelevant. Because when JB received a call during the night telling him that his sister had got hold of one of my guns (not rifle) Jeremy did not perceive what was happening at the farm house.  He was totally unaware at this point and for anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

We have heard from family and friends that the Bamber family were private people and were very reluctant at involving others into their personal affairs.  If Nevill at that point thought that Sheila was about to pull the trigger, he himself would have dialled 999 but he chose to get Jeremy over to help resolve the matter. why? However it does beg the question as to why Jeremy didn't get dressed and just go over there....Maybe Jeremy was going to go over, but when he couldn't  reach his father back on the telephone...he thought what the heck, why should I go and sort Sheila out...I'll phone the coppers....this is more likely to happened, because of Jeremy's arrogance rather than someone who had plotted murders.  Jeremy was a Tommy opposite! If Jeremy had plotted the murders then he would have plotted the phone calls and he would have made sure he got his timing correct.

The other important thing is that he would have made sure a call was made from WHF to Goldhanger existed because he would have been in the frame of mind that that call would have been traceable.  When Jeremy was interviewed, he told Jones to trace the call....He was not aware that the call could not be traced at that point...If you believe that Jeremy killed his family then you have to believe that he himself made the call from WHF to Goldhanger. Then Jeremy would have had to have nipped back to Goldhanger, called back to WHF and called the police etc.....Only one fault with this scenario and, that puts Julie and her friends in a position that they lied in court....because they said he called Julie at 3am and this could not be correct.  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #121 on: April 26, 2013, 09:04:AM »
Hi Lookout

Really?  ;)


Hi NN. Really what.? :-\

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #122 on: April 26, 2013, 09:05:AM »

Hi NN. Really what.? :-\


I see now,,but I don't speak the same language.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2013, 09:40:AM »
But why was there an onus on Jeremy seeing everything in monetary terms,which was an indication of how his mind was working and the real reason behind the killings? He'd inherited some ability with numbers from his natural father,an auditor at Buckingham Palace,who having served in the Army would also have been handy with firearms..

Morning Steve_uk

Its a little thing called inheritance tax and capital gains tax.  The gross value of the estate was £435,000.  Anything over £67,000 was liable to inheritance tax at 40%.  There may have been some exemptions in terms of agricultural land and business relief but a considerable amount would have been due.  How was JB to meet this liability?  Farmers tend to be asset rich and cash poor.  All of this seems to get conveniently lost.  I've not read anywhere about the substantial inheritance tax liability that JB was liable for.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/iht-thresholds.htm

As Caroline has pointed the payroll needed paying.  Also I understand WHF had an overdraft and borrowings for farm plant and machinery and renovations at Guildford.

I'm not sure what exactly JB inherited from his birth father in terms of character, aptitude etc as I'm not a geneticist but his birth parents and full birth siblings appear to be upstanding citizens so since you believe JB to be guilty what caused him to deviate from nature?

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #124 on: April 26, 2013, 09:41:AM »

I see now,,but I don't speak the same language.

Awww that's a shame   :'( never too late to learn  ;)

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #125 on: April 26, 2013, 09:46:AM »
The 999 call is irrelevant. Because when JB received a call during the night telling him that his sister had got hold of one of my guns (not rifle) Jeremy did not perceive what was happening at the farm house.  He was totally unaware at this point and for anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
We have heard from family and friends that the Bamber family were private people and were very reluctant at involving others into their personal affairs.  If Nevill at that point thought that Sheila was about to pull the trigger, he himself would have dialled 999 but he chose to get Jeremy over to help resolve the matter. why? However it does beg the question as to why
Jeremy didn't get dressed and just go over there....Maybe Jeremy was going to go over, but
when he couldn't  reach his father back on the telephone...he thought what the heck, why
should I go and sort Sheila out...I'll phone the coppers....this is more likely to happened,
because of Jeremy's arrogance rather than someone who had plotted murders.  Jeremy was a
Tommy opposite! If Jeremy had plotted the murders then he would have plotted the phone calls
and he would have made sure he got his timing correct.
The other important thing is that he would have made sure a call was made from WHF to
Goldhanger existed because he would have been in the frame of mind that that call would have
been traceable.  When Jeremy was interviewed, he told Jones to trace the call....He was not
aware that the call could not be traced at that point...If you believe that Jeremy killed his family
 then you have to believe that he himself made the call from WHF to Goldhanger. Then Jeremy
would have had to have nipped back to Goldhanger, called back to WHF and called the police
etc.....Only one fault with this scenario and, that puts Julie and her friends in a position that
they lied in court....because they said he called Julie at 3am and this could not be correct.  :-\ :-
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Hi Patti, i cannot believe that JM and her flat mates could have had any clear idea of what time the phone rang that night. The first suggestion was 3.30 before after debate a consensus time was reached. They admitted having smoked cannabis that evening and their memories must have been hazy to say the least. I cannot believe they could be accepted as reliable witnesses. Imo

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #126 on: April 26, 2013, 10:04:AM »
Hi Patti, i cannot believe that JM and her flat mates could have had any clear idea of what time the phone rang that night. The first suggestion was 3.30 before after debate a consensus time was reached. They admitted having smoked cannabis that evening and their memories must have been hazy to say the least. I cannot believe they could be accepted as reliable witnesses. Imo

Hi maggie :)

I think your opinion is quite right and that is what a jury of today would probably think too.  ;) :D :D :D

If you look at it...we have a timeline of those that believe Jeremy guilty:

3:00 Jeremy rang Julie from Goldhanger
3:15 Jeremy phones calls Goldhanger from WHF
3:26 Jeremy phones the police.
3:35 CA5 is called out

Impossible Maggie!

What I believe:

3:15 Jeremy receives a call from his father.
3:16 Jeremy tries to ring his father back
3:17 Jeremy tries again to ring his father, but gets the engaged tone.
3:20 Jeremy phones Witham police, gets no answer
3:24 Jeremy calls Julie
3:26 Jeremy then calls Maldon
3:35 CA5 is called out
3:48 Police arrived at scene
3:50 Jeremy arrives at the scene.






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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #127 on: April 26, 2013, 10:13:AM »
Hi maggie :)

I think your opinion is quite right and that is what a jury of today would probably think too.  ;) :D :D :D

If you look at it...we have a timeline of those that believe Jeremy guilty:

3:00 Jeremy rang Julie from Goldhanger
3:15 Jeremy phones calls Goldhanger from WHF
3:26 Jeremy phones the police.
3:35 CA5 is called out

Impossible Maggie!

What I believe:

3:15 Jeremy receives a call from his father.
3:16 Jeremy tries to ring his father back
3:17 Jeremy tries again to ring his father, but gets the engaged tone.
3:20 Jeremy phones Witham police, gets no answer
3:24 Jeremy calls Julie
3:26 Jeremy then calls Maldon
3:35 CA5 is called out
3:48 Police arrived at scene
3:50 Jeremy arrives at the scene.

Morning Patti

In the absence of digital recordings and satellite technology, which today we are able to rely on as being accurate, the phone calls/timings etc are imo utter speculation.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #128 on: April 26, 2013, 10:19:AM »
Morning Patti

In the absence of digital recordings and satellite technology, which today we are able to rely on as being accurate, the phone calls/timings etc are imo utter speculation.

Exactly! No proof whatsoever! All guess work!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #129 on: April 26, 2013, 10:22:AM »
No one believes JB called Goldhanger from WHF at 3.15am. If he did it all (which I doubt) it was prior to 3am.
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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #130 on: April 26, 2013, 10:40:AM »
Because her relatives had been slaughtered.

I don't know Ann, but I don't think it's possible to judge her character from police or witness statements. The contents of those statements tend to be limited to matters relevant to the crime and any suspects, and don't dwell on matters such as the witness's own emotions. For that reason such statements can of course seem cold.

It seems obvious to me that right from the off Ann was suspicious of Jeremy, mainly because his account of his relationship with his family (among other things) didn't tie in with what her perception of what it was. Of course to counter this argument supporters will say that the families weren't close, and cite the frequency of the caravan park meetings, the fact that it is said somewhere that Ann and Peter hadn't visited since Christmas, and the fact that Ann didn't see Sheila or Jeremy in their youth. Surely if they take the blinkers off supporters can see that this is not how families work? I see my sister a lot less often than the Eaton's and Boutflours saw the Bambers, but I defy any of you to tell me I don't know her. Relationships in families can be complex, and no amount of 27-years-after-the-fact analysis is ever going to get anywhere close.

Morning Ms Bridget

I don't really understand your post above.

JB may have had a crap relationship with every member of his adoptive family - immediate and extended - doesn't mean he would have dreamt of killing them for any reason.

People believe what they want to believe.  Last night I saw on the news that the parents of the suspected Boston bombers are in complete denial that their sons were involved albeit the law enforcement agencies seem to have considerable evidence although I accept that the survivor has yet to be tried.

Same happened with the lead suicide bomber in 9/11 attacks in that his father refused to believe that his son was involved.

Imo the same is true of the Boutflours/Eatons ie they refuse to believe Sheila was responsible despite, according to Colin Caffell, having no idea about the severity of her mental illness.

Excerpt from Colin's book:

"One of the most striking things about that day, although not altogether surprising for me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill's relations, the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June's sister Pam.  Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden.  Why hadn't I contacted them and told them all about it?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn't feel it had been my business to betray the Bamber's confidence.  They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether right or wrong.  These people had no idea how much I'd need them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bamb's treatment should have been changed".

"Their lack of awareness was probably a tremendous blessing, because without a full appreciation of her illness -   which, for me, had acted like a smoke-screen to the truth - they were absolutely convinced Bambs couldn't have done it and, unbeknown to me then, were already pressing the police into further investigations, albeit with little initial success."




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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #131 on: April 26, 2013, 10:41:AM »
No one believes JB called Goldhanger from WHF at 3.15am. If he did it all (which I doubt) it was prior to 3am.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #132 on: April 26, 2013, 10:43:AM »
But Sheila hadn't been dead since 3am or before,Bridget,,,,whichever way you look at it.  Again,,,,no thanks that any time of death was ever recorded/logged which has created all this from the start.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #133 on: April 26, 2013, 10:46:AM »
Morning Ms Bridget

I don't really understand your post above.

JB may have had a crap relationship with every member of his adoptive family - immediate and extended - doesn't mean he would have dreamt of killing them for any reason.

People believe what they want to believe.  Last night I saw on the news that the parents of the suspected Boston bombers are in complete denial that their sons were involved albeit the law enforcement agencies seem to have considerable evidence although I accept that the survivor has yet to be tried.

Same happened with the lead suicide bomber in 9/11 attacks in that his father refused to believe that his son was involved.

Imo the same is true of the Boutflours/Eatons ie they refuse to believe Sheila was responsible despite, according to Colin Caffell, having no idea about the severity of her mental illness.

Excerpt from Colin's book:

"One of the most striking things about that day, although not altogether surprising for me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill's relations, the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June's sister Pam.  Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden.  Why hadn't I contacted them and told them all about it?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn't feel it had been my business to betray the Bamber's confidence.  They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether right or wrong.  These people had no idea how much I'd need them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bamb's treatment should have been changed".

"Their lack of awareness was probably a tremendous blessing, because without a full appreciation of her illness -   which, for me, had acted like a smoke-screen to the truth - they were absolutely convinced Bambs couldn't have done it and, unbeknown to me then, were already pressing the police into further investigations, albeit with little initial success."

Try as I might, I cannot work out what your post has to do with the point I was making.
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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #134 on: April 26, 2013, 10:48:AM »
But Sheila hadn't been dead since 3am or before,Bridget,,,,whichever way you look at it.  Again,,,,no thanks that any time of death was ever recorded/logged which has created all this from the start.

In your opinion, which I don't share.
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