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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #105 on: April 25, 2013, 09:41:PM »
Jeremy's so called 'politeness' reads more to me as sarcasm. He didn't JUST accept an offer to tour the house - 'the house' had been HIS 'home' and it is quite understandable why he would have found it difficult to return after HIS family were killed there. He wasn't the only person interested in removing valuables from the house but as they were HIS, he had every right to do so!!
But why was there an onus on Jeremy seeing everything in monetary terms,which was an indication of how his mind was working and the real reason behind the killings? He'd inherited some ability with numbers from his natural father,an auditor at Buckingham Palace,who having served in the Army would also have been handy with firearms..

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« Reply #106 on: April 25, 2013, 10:00:PM »
But why was there an onus on Jeremy seeing everything in monetary terms,which was an indication of how his mind was working and the real reason behind the killings? He'd inherited some ability with numbers from his natural father,an auditor at Buckingham Palace,who having served in the Army would also have been handy with firearms..

He'd been chucked in that the deep end! A business to run with people employed who needed paying. He had funerals to arrange which needed paying for!! He was only 25 years old and in charge of a business he was only just getting to grips with - of course money was a consideration but he certainly wasn't the only one considering the financial implications!! I'm not sure what point you're making in respect to his natural father so I won't comment.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #107 on: April 25, 2013, 10:05:PM »
It's in Roger Wilkes' book. Ann also noticed the bicycle splattered with brown yellowish mud which is symptomatic of the sulphorous soil in the Maldon area I believe.


Steve,,were you aware that the bicycle had only one gear and no lights.? Can you imagine going the distance from Goldhanger to WHF on a bike of that nature,,whether it be by road or the sea wall.? In 10/15 minutes.? A doddle in daylight perhaps.
Covered in mud or not,,Jeremy made no effort to conceal it,did he.? And you can't miss " evidence " like a bicycle.
There was no evidence that the bike had been used for any other purpose other than locally,,certainly not to commit murders. So the bike is a no no,much to the dismay of the relatives who'd pushed for that to have been involved.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #108 on: April 25, 2013, 10:33:PM »
If you get very little sleep as was the case with Jeremy that night, it would cause the cornea of your eyes to become stressed or overworked. When this happens your eyes become much more sensitive to light. Light in general causes your pupils to dilate and retract. Due to the added stress on the cornea from lack of sleep, your eyes dilate more in order to try and relieve some of that stress.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #109 on: April 25, 2013, 10:37:PM »

Steve,,were you aware that the bicycle had only one gear and no lights.? Can you imagine going the distance from Goldhanger to WHF on a bike of that nature,,whether it be by road or the sea wall.? In 10/15 minutes.? A doddle in daylight perhaps.
Covered in mud or not,,Jeremy made no effort to conceal it,did he.? And you can't miss " evidence " like a bicycle.
There was no evidence that the bike had been used for any other purpose other than locally,,certainly not to commit murders. So the bike is a no no,much to the dismay of the relatives who'd pushed for that to have been involved.
Robert Boutflor made the observation that the road was moonlit with only a field of rape to cross where Jeremy could have carried the bike. Of course it's circumstantial,but it's not generally a woman's thing to enjoy riding through mud,just as using a gun is not primarily associated with a woman's crime.

Jeremy couldn't see through any of this,and thought he had done enough with the sleeping pills and the telephone calls to tie Julie in as an accessory and thereby safeguarding her silence.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #110 on: April 25, 2013, 10:41:PM »
If you get very little sleep as was the case with Jeremy that night, it would cause the cornea of your eyes to become stressed or overworked. When this happens your eyes become much more sensitive to light. Light in general causes your pupils to dilate and retract. Due to the added stress on the cornea from lack of sleep, your eyes dilate more in order to try and relieve some of that stress.

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Of course he got no sleep,another symptom of drug abuse. We have to accept that Jeremy watched some television so as to provide himself with an alibi,then went upstairs to sleep yet managed to answer a telephone call from his father in the middle of the night,though we don't know how long Nevill was kept holding at the White House Farm end. We have to swallow that Nevill knew the Bourtree Cottage number by heart,and also accept that Jeremy in his stupor flicks through a telephone directory when he could just have dialled 999,which is what Nevill would have done in the first place from the Farm had he managed to reach a telephone that morning.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #111 on: April 25, 2013, 10:45:PM »
Of course he got no sleep,another symptom of drug abuse. We have to accept that Jeremy watched some television so as to provide himself with an alibi,then went upstairs to sleep yet managed to answer a telephone call from his father in the middle of the night,though we don't know how long Nevill was kept holding at the White House Farm end. We have to swallow that Nevill knew the Bourtree Cottage number by heart,and also accept that Jeremy in his stupor flicks through a telephone directory when he could just have dialled 999,which is what Nevill would have done in the first place from the Farm had he managed to reach a telephone that morning.




Jeremys' alibi was the figure at the window at WHF. You don't run for your life and then duck out of the way of a " trick of the light ". Three grown men did just that.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #112 on: April 25, 2013, 10:50:PM »



Jeremys' alibi was the figure at the window at WHF. You don't run for your life and then duck out of the way of a " trick of the light ". Three grown men did just that.
I'm sure there are many tricks of the light emanating from old Georgian houses in the middle of the night. We still don't know who first spotted it,and with the pretext of Jeremy's story about Sheila being a nutter who had recently been on shooting practice the Police present took the easier option of waiting and collecting their overtime payments,which I can't blame them one bit for doing.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #113 on: April 25, 2013, 10:55:PM »
I'm sure there are many tricks of the light emanating from old Georgian houses in the middle of the night. We still don't know who first spotted it,and with the pretext of Jeremy's story about Sheila being a nutter who had recently been on shooting practice the Police present took the easier option of waiting and collecting their overtime payments,which I can't blame them one bit for doing.


If they hadn't have hidden like big jessies,,they may have seen that it wasn't a trick of the light.

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« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2013, 12:53:AM »
Robert Boutflor made the observation that the road was moonlit with only a field of rape to cross where Jeremy could have carried the bike. Of course it's circumstantial,but it's not generally a woman's thing to enjoy riding through mud,just as using a gun is not primarily associated with a woman's crime.

Jeremy couldn't see through any of this,and thought he had done enough with the sleeping pills and the telephone calls to tie Julie in as an accessory and thereby safeguarding her silence.
Of course you realise that the field of rape would not be there in august? It's in fact just coming into bloom now in April. You are right. It is all circumstancial and came straight out of RWB's diary.

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« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2013, 12:56:AM »
Of course he got no sleep,another symptom of drug abuse. We have to accept that Jeremy watched some television so as to provide himself with an alibi,then went upstairs to sleep yet managed to answer a telephone call from his father in the middle of the night,though we don't know how long Nevill was kept holding at the White House Farm end. We have to swallow that Nevill knew the Bourtree Cottage number by heart,and also accept that Jeremy in his stupor flicks through a telephone directory when he could just have dialled 999,which is what Nevill would have done in the first place from the Farm had he managed to reach a telephone that morning.
If you work it out if Jeremy had dialed 999 this would have given him a better alibi, but would in fact have little difference at all. This action of Jeremy's speaks more of confusion in his mind rather than a calculating killer.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2013, 01:52:AM »
It may not have been oil seed rape and I may have misquoted him. However  I'm beginning to think the Jeremy supporters would be happy with the outcome of "Time Served" of twenty-five years,irrespective of whether he is in fact guilty or not. It's redolent of the Scottish system with the alternative third verdict of "Not Proven",which in layman's terms equates to "Not Guilty but Don't Do It Again"..

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« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2013, 02:39:AM »
It may not have been oil seed rape and I may have misquoted him. However  I'm beginning to think the Jeremy supporters would be happy with the outcome of "Time Served" of twenty-five years,irrespective of whether he is in fact guilty or not. It's redolent of the Scottish system with the alternative third verdict of "Not Proven",which in layman's terms equates to "Not Guilty but Don't Do It Again"..

Then you would be wrong - again!

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2013, 08:55:AM »
It may not have been oil seed rape and I may have misquoted him. However  I'm beginning to think the Jeremy supporters would be happy with the outcome of "Time Served" of twenty-five years,irrespective of whether he is in fact guilty or not. It's redolent of the Scottish system with the alternative third verdict of "Not Proven",which in layman's terms equates to "Not Guilty but Don't Do It Again"..



Steve,I'm sure that many like yourself would have looked upon Jeremy as " lazy " and only put his shoulder to the wheel when he had to do,,meaning,,he had to pull his finger out at the farm when it came to harvest time. I think the same myself,,,as some young people couldn't work in convulsions,,with hard work " killing them ".
Now how,,and where would Jeremy have mustered up the energy to have helped his father that day,,gone home from WHF after supper,,then hurtled back to WHF to kill 5 people.? No can do.
Because Jeremy was fond of socialising,,and like most young men,,preferred that way of life to doing a hard days work,,it must have felt like a real chore back on the farm,,,and I imagine that should his father have rang for any other reason than the tragedy that happened,,,it would have taken Jeremy all his time to get himself out of bed.
Young men aren't the easiest to jump to attention in the morning at the best of times.Women are much better at that,,,as they appear more alert.
I'm sure that you'll be reading between the lines to gather what I'm getting at.

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Re: Statement of Ann Eaton 8th - 13th September 1985
« Reply #119 on: April 26, 2013, 09:00:AM »


Steve,I'm sure that many like yourself would have looked upon Jeremy as " lazy " and only put his shoulder to the wheel when he had to do,,meaning,,he had to pull his finger out at the farm when it came to harvest time. I think the same myself,,,as some young people couldn't work in convulsions,,with hard work " killing them ".
Now how,,and where would Jeremy have mustered up the energy to have helped his father that day,,gone home from WHF after supper,,then hurtled back to WHF to kill 5 people.? No can do.
Because Jeremy was fond of socialising,,and like most young men,,preferred that way of life to doing a hard days work,,it must have felt like a real chore back on the farm,,,and I imagine that should his father have rang for any other reason than the tragedy that happened,,,it would have taken Jeremy all his time to get himself out of bed.
Young men aren't the easiest to jump to attention in the morning at the best of times.Women are much better at that,,,as they appear more alert.
I'm sure that you'll be reading between the lines to gather what I'm getting at.

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