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Offline tyler

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2013, 10:32:PM »
Pargeter handled the rifle on the weekend prior to the murders. I'm sure he says in his statement that the sights were on at that time? But I guess it is his word against JB's.

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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2013, 10:49:PM »
Pargeter handled the rifle on the weekend prior to the murders. I'm sure he says in his statement that the sights were on at that time? But I guess it is his word against JB's.

He did indeed Tyler but that still doesn't prove that they were zeroed. I haven't see anything that states JB saying when they were removed - or at least when he noticed.

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2013, 10:54:PM »
Me neither,as to when they were removed. Jeremy has however claimed that his father must have removed them,but has also said that he himself removed both the sights and the moderator as rifle would not fit in its case otherwise.

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2013, 10:58:PM »
Carine its just a poll.

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2013, 11:40:PM »
Carine its just a poll.

Who is Carine?

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2013, 12:08:AM »
Who is Carine?

I´ll make a poll obout it. The options are: Who is Carine?
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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2013, 12:17:AM »
I´ll make a poll obout it. The options are: Who is Carine?
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                                                             2. Lugg
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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2013, 11:45:AM »
Is the manner of attachment of the sight to the rifle so imprecise that the sight needs to be realigned each time it has been removed and refitted?

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2013, 11:55:AM »
Is the manner of attachment of the sight to the rifle so imprecise that the sight needs to be realigned each time it has been removed and refitted?

That's the impression I get.

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2013, 12:01:PM »
Is the manner of attachment of the sight to the rifle so imprecise that the sight needs to be realigned each time it has been removed and refitted?

It's not imprecise at all, it's adjustable to make it precise.

This may be worth a look as an example of fixing and zeroing:

www.nikkostirling.com/Content/PDF/Scope_Instructions.pdf


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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2013, 01:12:PM »
Is the manner of attachment of the sight to the rifle so imprecise that the sight needs to be realigned each time it has been removed and refitted?

The manner of attachment is imprecise in the sense that if the sight is removed then re-attached, it will need adjustment through the process known as zeroing, in order  to ensure that the sight is properly aligned.  In order to zero a rifle it is necessary to fire it so it is not something undertaken indoors.

 

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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2013, 02:55:PM »
That's unclear. I realize the scope's elevation and direction are adjustable, but there must be a separate kind of attachment that prevents the scope from coming off the barrel in the direction of the barrel.

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2013, 03:06:PM »
If the sight was left on the rifle,,,it would fire off kilter,,as adjustments are made as to how far off the " quarry " is.? 25,,30,,40 feet. It would have been like looking through the bottoms of milk bottles.
You are quite right. Lookout.
A weapon zeroed in at say 1 hundred metres is useless at anythiing nearer, or closer.
Telescopic sights are useful in only ideal conditions. Most times I dispense wit them.If Jeremy was shooting rabbits close to the home it makes sense that the sights were not fitted

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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2013, 03:11:PM »
That's unclear. I realize the scope's elevation and direction are adjustable, but there must be a separate kind of attachment that prevents the scope from coming off the barrel in the direction of the barrel.

There are two grooves that run along the top of the rifle.

The telescopic sights are initially aligned in these grooves and screwed tight in position.

A target is then set up at the relevant shooting distance.

The cross hairs in the sights are then aligned with the middle of the target and a shot is fired.

Depending on where the bullet hits the target, the sights are then adjusted up/down /left /right (using either a screwdriver or on more modern sights a dial) until the shot hits the target where the cross hairs are  - zeroing!

The fiddly element to zeroing being a pointer as to why JB(?) removed the tele sights prior to the murders, as they are time consuming to re-zero, but would get in the way / not be necessary when shooting at close range.
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Re: Caught in a lie
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2013, 03:18:PM »
You are quite right. Lookout.
A weapon zeroed in at say 1 hundred metres is useless at anythiing nearer, or closer.
Telescopic sights are useful in only ideal conditions. Most times I dispense wit them.If Jeremy was shooting rabbits close to the home it makes sense that the sights were not fitted

I shoot rats/pigeons/rabbits at distances less than 100 meters and I find my tele sights invaluable in making clean head shots - I would not use my rifle without them.

I use the magnifying control to adjust for distance clarity.

Reality Check - What evidence is there to free JB? Answers on a very small postcard!