If Sheila Did It

[Kaldin]

kaldin what i find bizarre is the fact that anne eaton took the knickers home with her, now that really is strange!

Yes, that's even more bizarre. 

[Kaldin]

nothing bizarre about it kaldin, if something becomes blood stained it makes sense to soak the item first before washing it, more chance of getting the stain out of the garment.

Well I think it's bizarre - especially leaving it in the kitchen.

They would leave it close to where washing machine is im guessing living in a farm house in early/mid 80s that they may not have had an automatic washing machine anx certainly didnt have stain removing washing powders like we do now! Soiled garments would need to be soaked.
Can remember my auntie having a nappy bucket in her kitchen for soaking my cousins nappies in.

To leave it in the kitchen though with the men around? Nah.

[Kaldin]

If Sheila went to so much care to wash, re-dress etc, why no underwear? Why lay down in such a way that her nightdress was rucked up underneath her?
That doesn't fit with her laying herself out, Ophelia style.

I cannot offer an explanation at this stage as to why she was not wearing underwear when found by the police but what I will say is I don't believe her nightdress would be in such a position when or if she shot herself. I don't believe she was found "Ophelia style". Do you not find it strange that June was also photographed in this position? I find it highly unlikely that either of them would have fallen in these respective postions after being shot.

Yes! I do find that odd.

[HMEssex]

nothing bizarre about it kaldin, if something becomes blood stained it makes sense to soak the item first before washing it, more chance of getting the stain out of the garment.

Well I think it's bizarre - especially leaving it in the kitchen.

They would leave it close to where washing machine is im guessing living in a farm house in early/mid 80s that they may not have had an automatic washing machine anx certainly didnt have stain removing washing powders like we do now! Soiled garments would need to be soaked.
Can remember my auntie having a nappy bucket in her kitchen for soaking my cousins nappies in.

To leave it in the kitchen though with the men around? Nah.

It wasn't 'men' around.  It would have been her father and two young boys.  And I don't think they were in the main kitchen but in the 'scullery' - so out of sight from everyone.

[lucy70]

Think was definitely the norm especially all those years ago to put soiled items in a bucket in either the kitchen or bathroom regardless if there were men in the house or not and can remember lots of other people doing this when I was younger.  Work in mental health and can say that paranoid schizophrenics are usually really chaotic and is highly unlikely that Sheila would be so unwell as to murder her whole family after being rational enough to think about soaking her soiled clothes. 

[mb1]

If Sheila went to so much care to wash, re-dress etc, why no underwear? Why lay down in such a way that her nightdress was rucked up underneath her?
That doesn't fit with her laying herself out, Ophelia style.

I cannot offer an explanation at this stage as to why she was not wearing underwear when found by the police but what I will say is I don't believe her nightdress would be in such a position when or if she shot herself. I don't believe she was found "Ophelia style". Do you not find it strange that June was also photographed in this position? I find it highly unlikely that either of them would have fallen in these respective postions after being shot.

There is speculation that June managed to pull herself up by holding on to the door,  then slid back down against it, presumably to topple over, or receive the final forehead shot and be pushed aside into that position.

[mb1]

Think was definitely the norm especially all those years ago to put soiled items in a bucket in either the kitchen or bathroom regardless if there were men in the house or not and can remember lots of other people doing this when I was younger.  Work in mental health and can say that paranoid schizophrenics are usually really chaotic and is highly unlikely that Sheila would be so unwell as to murder her whole family after being rational enough to think about soaking her soiled clothes.

To be even handed, June could have soaked the knickers and rinsed the tights earlier. In which case, what was Sheila wearing, if anything?

My problem with the Sheila scenario is, how can she be both organised and - your good word - chaotic?
 

[andrea]

there may have been a lid on the bucket

[Kaldin]

To leave it in the kitchen though with the men around? Nah.

OMG I am guessing you have no sisters and had quite a sheltered upbringing! My mother was at work when I had my first period and dad was at home on back shift. I also announced the fact to my older brother who was there. My dad had to go to the shop and buy me some sanitary towels which he did without batting an eyelid. My husband was similarly relaxed when our daughter recently statred her periods.

Get over the fact that blood stained knickers in a bucket of cold water in the kitchen, where washing machines usually are, is not a big deal. It is quite normal, especially in an eighties farmhouse!

Me sheltered? You sound like an exhibitionist to me.

Oh well, never mind.

[Kaldin]

nothing bizarre about it kaldin, if something becomes blood stained it makes sense to soak the item first before washing it, more chance of getting the stain out of the garment.

Well I think it's bizarre - especially leaving it in the kitchen.

They would leave it close to where washing machine is im guessing living in a farm house in early/mid 80s that they may not have had an automatic washing machine anx certainly didnt have stain removing washing powders like we do now! Soiled garments would need to be soaked.
Can remember my auntie having a nappy bucket in her kitchen for soaking my cousins nappies in.

To leave it in the kitchen though with the men around? Nah.

It wasn't 'men' around.  It would have been her father and two young boys.  And I don't think they were in the main kitchen but in the 'scullery' - so out of sight from everyone.

Why does everyone keep saying they were in the kitchen then?

No wonder nobody can work out what happened - nobody knows which room is which!

[Kaldin]

If Sheila went to so much care to wash, re-dress etc, why no underwear? Why lay down in such a way that her nightdress was rucked up underneath her?
That doesn't fit with her laying herself out, Ophelia style.

I cannot offer an explanation at this stage as to why she was not wearing underwear when found by the police but what I will say is I don't believe her nightdress would be in such a position when or if she shot herself. I don't believe she was found "Ophelia style". Do you not find it strange that June was also photographed in this position? I find it highly unlikely that either of them would have fallen in these respective postions after being shot.

There is speculation that June managed to pull herself up by holding on to the door,  then slid back down against it, presumably to topple over, or receive the final forehead shot and be pushed aside into that position.

It's the way their legs are dead straight - I dunno, there's something odd about it all.

[mb1]

The knickers were in a bucket, close to the kitchen door through which the police gained entry.

I've seen a photo of a washing machine in the scullery.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

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Me sheltered? You sound like an exhibitionist to me.

Oh well, never mind.

I can assure you I am not an exhibitionist and I believe I have some very sound theories about what happened in White House Farm that night. I choose not to share these entirely because often speculation clouds the issue.

[Kaldin]

I can assure you I am not an exhibitionist and I believe I have some very sound theories about what happened in White House Farm that night. I choose not to share these entirely because often speculation clouds the issue.

OK, so the knickers were in a bucket. When did Sheila put them there, or her mother? Didn't Sheila go to bed when Pam was on the phone to June?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

OK, so the knickers were in a bucket. When did Sheila put them there, or her mother? Didn't Sheila go to bed when Pam was on the phone to June?

June said Sheila was going to bed. This could just have been a polite explanation to Pamela for Sheila being so distant/disinterested on the telephone.