She's got the gun

[Patti]

So what motive does Sheila have for killing her boys? Either she's in control of her faculties(as it's my case Jeremy was when he killed his family),she destroys anyone and everything who comes in her way including Nevill which would explain the cut-off telephone call,or she's in psychosis and hasn't a clue what she's doing or the consequences.

I put it to you that Sheila was not the vindictive type,she was squeamish at the best of times and was guilty no more of indolence and wanting to hook a rich man as a husband after Colin left her.

Hi Steve

You are not reading or taking in what April is saying to you.  Sheila had no motive what so ever to kill her children or her family or anyone else for that matter.  What April it trying to point out is that when someone is having a psychotic episode under delusional thoughts, that person is not aware of what they are doing in reality.  If for example Sheila was the person that killed her family, then she herself would not be the killer in her delusional episode, it would have been the rifle that was the killer and not her....I think people need to stop and think about what paranoid schizophrenia is and the way it affects them...Like april says each and everyone is different, within their thoughts and delusions.....Once you can except that this is the case, maybe you can understand as to why some of us think that it is possible that Sheila may have killed her family....It has no baring on how lovely she was, or how nice she was....because she was lovely and she might have been the most gentlest person on this earth, but this alone would never have stopped her acting up when under a psychotic episode....it was something she had no control of....

[Jane]

Hi Steve

You are not reading or taking in what April is saying to you.  Sheila had no motive what so ever to kill her children or her family or anyone else for that matter.  What April it trying to point out is that when someone is having a psychotic episode under delusional thoughts, that person is not aware of what they are doing in reality.  If for example Sheila was the person that killed her family, then she herself would not be the killer in her delusional episode, it would have been the rifle that was the killer and not her....I think people need to stop and think about what paranoid schizophrenia is and the way it affects them...Like april says each and everyone is different, within their thoughts and delusions.....Once you can except that this is the case, maybe you can understand as to why some of us think that it is possible that Sheila may have killed her family....It has no baring on how lovely she was, or how nice she was....because she was lovely and she might have been the most gentlest person on this earth, but this alone would never have stopped he acting up when under a psychotic episode....it was something she had no control of....

Brick wall, Patti. HURTS!!! Thankyou

[lookout]

So what motive does Sheila have for killing her boys? Either she's in control of her faculties(as it's my case Jeremy was when he killed his family),she destroys anyone and everything who comes in her way including Nevill which would explain the cut-off telephone call,or she's in psychosis and hasn't a clue what she's doing or the consequences.

I put it to you that Sheila was not the vindictive type,she was squeamish at the best of times and was guilty no more of indolence and wanting to hook a rich man as a husband after Colin left her.

There doesn't have to be a motive as such,Steve. It's that their minds and way of thinking is a lot different to ours. Their thought mechanism is, at the most part,irrational and overstretched out of all proportion no matter how much you try and reason with them.
It's made worse by the fact that they're renowned for missing doses of medication or not taking it at all,,,and when these things happen,,,they're at their most vulnerable and dangerous.
As it was,,Sheila was missing medication and also appointments at clinics/hospital or GP,,quite possibly because she was taking other drugs which,as I've said before,,cancels out the benefit that her medication for psychosis was meant for.
Just how long she'd been taking cannabis and cocaine for,,nobody knows,,,but it was absolutely futile to think that her medication was doing any good while she was taking the other stuff,,,because there'd have been no effect or improvement to her illness.
I often wonder if Dr.Ferguson knew of her drug use coupled with her medication.

[Steve_uk]

There are no precedents to this case,nor has anything happened like it since. The White House Farm murders bear all the hallmarks of someone with a rudimentary knowledge of schizophrenia second-guessing what a schizophrenic may or may not do in a given set of circumstances and bear no resemblance to what actually might have occurred given what we know of Sheila's past psychoses and her character history in general.

[Patti]

There are no precedents to this case,nor has anything happened like it since. The White House Farm murders bear all the hallmarks of someone with a rudimentary knowledge of schizophrenia second-guessing what a schizophrenic may or may not do in a given set of circumstances and bear no resemblance to what actually might have occurred given what we know of Sheila's past psychoses and her character history in general.

Steve I think we all know, and understand where you are coming from.  I doubt any of us are second guessing, we are mainly high lighting facts that surrounds the illness its self.  No one else in the family had this illness did they.  Whether we are being blind or you are, it does not alter the fact she had this dreadful illness and thought those around her were the devil.  When you do a psychological profile on the family, it remains true that it was Sheila who would be the most likely. 

However, on saying that, I am still not satisfied that Sheila or Jeremy killed their family....bot were too clean...which does not fall true of Nevill having fought in the kitchen....

[Jane]

There are no precedents to this case,nor has anything happened like it since. The White House Farm murders bear all the hallmarks of someone with a rudimentary knowledge of schizophrenia second-guessing what a schizophrenic may or may not do in a given set of circumstances and bear no resemblance to what actually might have occurred given what we know of Sheila's past psychoses and her character history in general.

 And how do you know what someone "with a rudimentary knowledge of schizophrenia" would second guess.