She's got the gun

[lookout]

Just hard luck on Jeremys' part for thinking aloud,,,but there's a heck of a difference in thinking aloud and actually,physically carrying out your thoughts.
 He didn't realise at the time that people were so bad as to use some expression of his in a court of law and take it as read. It's utterly unbelievable.

[Lugg]

Just hard luck on Jeremys' part for thinking aloud,,,but there's a heck of a difference in thinking aloud and actually,physically carrying out your thoughts.
 He didn't realise at the time that people were so bad as to use some expression of his in a court of law and take it as read. It's utterly unbelievable.

Yes people thought of what Jeremy had said to them after the event and connected these words up to the murders. Unfortunately it is a dangerous thing to do, because they are quoted out of context. Reminds me of the time when this Christian preacher had Bible readings in his house at breakfast and he used to open the Bible and point to a text and that text would be their text for the day.
He did what he always did one morning and his finger fell on the text, "Judas went and hanged himself". He thought I that's no good, I'll have another go. This time his finger fell on another text. It said, "Go thou and do likewise".
Personally I would like to have heard the context of those words when Jeremy said them.

[Bridget]

Just hard luck on Jeremys' part for thinking aloud,,,but there's a heck of a difference in thinking aloud and actually,physically carrying out your thoughts.
 He didn't realise at the time that people were so bad as to use some expression of his in a court of law and take it as read. It's utterly unbelievable.

Yes, who'd have thought that anyone would tell a court that the person standing accused of murdering his family, told them that he would murder his family.

[Lugg]

Yes, who'd have thought that anyone would tell a court that the person standing accused of murdering his family, told them that he would murder his family.

That one reason I it so unbelievable that his did it.

[Patti]

No, I'm going by JMs evidence as to what he told her.

Can I ask? Do you believe what JM said in her statements? 

[lookout]

Yes people thought of what Jeremy had said to them after the event and connected these words up to the murders. Unfortunately it is a dangerous thing to do, because they are quoted out of context. Reminds me of the time when this Christian preacher had Bible readings in his house at breakfast and he used to open the Bible and point to a text and that text would be their text for the day.
He did what he always did one morning and his finger fell on the text, "Judas went and hanged himself". He thought I that's no good, I'll have another go. This time his finger fell on another text. It said, "Go thou and do likewise".
Personally I would like to have heard the context of those words when Jeremy said them.

Lugg,,,isn't it customary for the police to take what you say,,,out of context. Of course it is,,,or there'd be no case to answer.

[lookout]

People will hear what they WANT to hear when it comes to making mischief for others.

[lookout]

People will hear what they WANT to hear when it comes to making mischief for others.

Fancy storing up some silly conversations over the months,,like JM did,,,then use them as ammunition at a later date. Would you not have thought that from the beginning of their relationship that if JM had spotted something not quite right,,,that she'd have gone straight to the police.?
It's because JM knew that Jeremy wasn't serious about the things he'd said. He said them just for something to say because he was still wet behind the ears,,,,and didn't think about any implications.
Anyone planning such carnage wouldn't say a word,,,least of all to a girlfriend with a loose tongue.

[Bridget]

Can I ask? Do you believe what JM said in her statements? 

I see no reason not to.

[Steve_uk]

Fancy storing up some silly conversations over the months,,like JM did,,,then use them as ammunition at a later date. Would you not have thought that from the beginning of their relationship that if JM had spotted something not quite right,,,that she'd have gone straight to the police.?
It's because JM knew that Jeremy wasn't serious about the things he'd said. He said them just for something to say because he was still wet behind the ears,,,,and didn't think about any implications.
Anyone planning such carnage wouldn't say a word,,,least of all to a girlfriend with a loose tongue.

He had managed to get what he wanted from the females of his life heretofore,until his parents put their foot down and wouldn't pay any more bills for his round the world trip. The actual period Jeremy spent full time on the farm was small,and we know what was going through his head every day whilst he was there in that last year.

[lookout]

He had managed to get what he wanted from the females of his life heretofore,until his parents put their foot down and wouldn't pay any more bills for his round the world trip. The actual period Jeremy spent full time on the farm was small,and we know what was going through his head every day whilst he was there in that last year.

Hello,Steve------------On the contrary,,it was Sheila who ran up debts for noxious substances. Whichever way you look at it,,,both offspring were bailed out by their parents,,,,as is the case anyway,even today,,so nothing unusual there.

[Bridget]

That one reason I it so unbelievable that his did it.

Yes, and believe me, I understand why you think that way. But I believe JB and JM were thick as thieves (literally) prior to the murders, and JB took her lack of horror at his scheming as a sign of acceptance of the plan, possibly even encouragement. In reality she never believed it was anything other than fantasies, and JB never foresaw the breakdown of the relationship after the truth dawned on Julie.

[susan]

Hi steve  please tell me how you know what was going on inside Jeremy's.  You can assume of course but that is not fact unless Jeremy told you what he was thinking, which I doubt. 

[Steve_uk]

Hi steve  please tell me how you know what was going on inside Jeremy's.  You can assume of course but that is not fact unless Jeremy told you what he was thinking, which I doubt.

Reply #356 is a good start. As has been mentioned by other members Jeremy wasn't the brightest individual,and he came up with an evil scheme which he thought at the time couldn't be proved either way.

Anyone who has studied schizophrenia knows that it couldn't have happened the way Jeremy portrayed it.

[lookout]

Reply #356 is a good start. As has been mentioned by other members Jeremy wasn't the brightest individual,and he came up with an evil scheme which he thought at the time couldn't be proved either way.

Anyone who has studied schizophrenia knows that it couldn't have happened the way Jeremy portrayed it.

Steve,,not only did I study schizophrenia ( though I don't profess to know everything about it ) I also worked with such patients,,,and certainly know how unpredictable they can be,and are. There's no malice aforethought with them,they just do it on a whim.