Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

Violent schizophrenics in a state of psychosis do not seek to cover their tracks:they are potty and dangerous and should be locked up.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164366/Schizophrenic-killed-Jonathan-Zito-set-moved-high-security-prison.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

But Jeremy isn't a violent schizophrenic,,Steve.

[lookout]

Jeremy must have had the jitters after the struggle with Nevill but still had Sheila to deal with. He led her by hand from her bedroom into June's room and shot her quickly unawares,then must have had a second fright as he realized she wasn't dead and was forced to shoot her again.

Steve,,,at what time did all this occur.?

[maggie]

Hello Maggie

I always thought steve knew Jeremy now I know where they met at Greshams

Hi Susie, I see the Patron of Gresham's School is non other than HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

[susan]

Maggie 

[maggie]

Violent schizophrenics in a state of psychosis do not seek to cover their tracks:they are potty and dangerous and should be locked up.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164366/Schizophrenic-killed-Jonathan-Zito-set-moved-high-security-prison.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

Interesting slip steve?  Clunis was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and had not been taking his medication when the murder occurred.....sounds familiar

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,,at what time did all this occur.?

Around 2:45am is my guess. Jeremy then cycled back to Goldhanger and telephoned Julie,the "something's wrong at the Farm call ".

[Steve_uk]

Interesting slip steve?  Clunis was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and had not been taking his medication when the murder occurred.....sounds familiar

The point is that Clunis wasn't running away from the scene of the crime:he heard voices inside his head which told him to kill and he killed.

[lookout]

Around 2:45am is my guess. Jeremy then cycled back to Goldhanger and telephoned Julie,the "something's wrong at the Farm call ".

So is that the time that Sheila died as well.?

[maggie]

The point is that Clunis wasn't running away from the scene of the crime:he heard voices inside his head which told him to kill and he killed.

Sorry Steve, the point is Sheila wasn't running away from the scene of the crime, she very well may have heard voices inside her head telling her to kill and she also killed and then she killed herself....poor girl. Jeremy isn't a schizophrenic.  Don't understand your reasoning Steve?

[lookout]

Around 2:45am is my guess. Jeremy then cycled back to Goldhanger and telephoned Julie,the "something's wrong at the Farm call ".

Steve,,,would you really argue against what the pathologist had stated,,,,,that Sheila had died at about 7am.? You see,,there was fresh  " oxygenated " blood still pouring from her wound/s. Oxygenated being bright red as we know,,and not the black/brown hue that you'd get from someone having been dead for hours.

[Caroline R]

Sorry but the Jeremy supporters are in denial:there were two of Jeremy's fingerprints on the gun,one of Sheila's and three unidentified prints,possibly from Police. If Jeremy had taken the gun out to shoot rabbits immaterial of whether he shot any or not his fingerprints should be all over the gun;similarly with Sheila if she had struggled with Nevill and a ceiling light got smashed.

We are yet again instructed to swallow what the Defence imagined happened with Sheila in a state of psychosis,and not what the facts lead us otherwise to believe.

What facts? You stating ANY facts!! Just because only 2 of JB's prints were found and 1 of Sheila's, it doesn't mean the gun was wiped or that there were no other prints!! It simply means that they were not able to recover a full identifiable prinst because they were smudged etc. Please point out once and for all where IN THE EVIDENCE and not from a book it states the rifle had been wiped clean?

[Steve_uk]

Sorry Steve, the point is Sheila wasn't running away from the scene of the crime, she very well may have heard voices inside her head telling her to kill and she also killed and then she killed herself....poor girl. Jeremy isn't a schizophrenic.  Don't understand your reasoning Steve?

But there's more to this case isn't there? Look what the Jeremy supporters have Sheila doing(perm any two from four): Sheila engages in a fight with Nevill in which a ceiling light is smashed,therefore it's a safe assumption that there was struggle for control of the rifle,yet no material damage to Sheila,Sheila prevents somehow her father from making a telephone call by pressing one of her dainty fingernails on the cradle of the telephone whilst Nevill is scared witless for the safety of his wife and grandchildren upstairs,Sheila removes all traces of gun oil and residue by scrubbing her hands,yet this glamour model dies knickerless with her private parts showing to all and sundry.

According to Jeremy Nevill is alive at 3:26am and the struggle in the kitchen has not yet taken place because Nevill is still able to speak,yet Nevill is allowing his daughter to run amok with a gun in another part of the house..the Police arrive at 3:48am yet there are no shouts or screams,no sound of gushing water down the drains as Sheila finishes her ablutions. She has therefore killed all four within 22 minutes.

I have lost track of the Defence scenario subsequently,but it's either Sheila shooting herself once in the kitchen and then running upstairs whilst four Police are guarding her,or the Police shoot her with the silencer attached after they've attempted CPR on the bed,yet the bloodstains on her nightie suggest she was shot both times whilst lying down and Dr. Peter Vanezis testified at trial that Sheila would have been incapable of movement up and downstairs after the first shot.

[Steve_uk]

So is that the time that Sheila died as well.?

We don't know exactly except that Jeremy had to leave her for dead then,hope that she was dead and had bled to death by the time the emergency services arrived. Better for them not to be able to ascertain a time of death(hence your question not being able to be answered definitively),which is why Jeremy used every means at his disposal to stall entry into the Farm.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,,would you really argue against what the pathologist had stated,,,,,that Sheila had died at about 7am.? You see,,there was fresh  " oxygenated " blood still pouring from her wound/s. Oxygenated being bright red as we know,,and not the black/brown hue that you'd get from someone having been dead for hours.

Can you post all these documents lookout,along with Sheila's £40,000 drug debts. As far as I was aware Sheila's body was moved if only to check for a pulse and it was then that the fresh plugs of blood occurred.

[lookout]

Sheila wasn't in control of her faculties,Steve.She was a very very sick young woman,,,who wouldn't have been concerned with what she was wearing/or wasn't wearing. Her psychosis blotted out all that was normal as she listened to her orders coming from her sick mind.
Like her family,,,you don't realise how really ill Sheila was,,,with half the time the drugs that she took was cancelling out the benefit of her prescription drugs.