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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #480 on: February 07, 2013, 12:55:PM »
Who said the glove is a 'fact'? There is NOTHING to prove that anyone wore gloves or that a glove came off in a struggle OR that any struggle actually took place!! Why would Julie make it up? She had no choice after her friend went to the police, if she had denied everything, she would have looked like an idiot, she would have lost her friends, the papers would have made mincemeat of her and opps!! That would have been her career down the swanny!!
The fingerprint evidence backs up Julie's words,as the perpetrator had to wipe the gun after the glove came off. I don't see Jeremy receiving a telephone call from a third party,so I'm afraid this story implicates the main suspect in the case.

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« Reply #481 on: February 07, 2013, 12:56:PM »
A relentless tease”-was this Jeremy’s preferred form of entertainment at Gresham’s to while away an hour on a winter’s morn,a means of exciting attention from his peers as he made crude sexual remarks gleaned from his farmyard background about the new influx of girls as boarders,or was there a more sinister undertone to his bullying as he rose among the ranks and wielded his brand of vengeance among the younger,defenceless and more impressionable boys,as he became increasingly aware of his station:not on a par with the cleverest boys of the landed gentry,one of whom he might well have faced several years hence in that Chelmsford courtroom. Did Jeremy finally expunge the memory of those earliest years as he reflected on that little boy on the school bus with an apple in his satchel draped round his torso,frightened to converse lest he let slip his refined accent and draw more opprobrium from his coarser fellow passengers.

Jeremy thus found by chance his place in the social hierarchy and not in any intrinsic or extrinsic forces however benevolent their intention. Such forces were sadly lacking in Jeremy’s upbringing as Jeremy missed that benign human contact,that one person who could draw him aside,put a kindly hand on his shoulder and enquire genially as to the boy’s well-being. Jeremy reacted to the myriad of forces at play with alienated compliance tinged with a strange bitterness as he drew ever-closer to himself as he fantasised about an as yet unmorphed sense of revenge. This artificially monied atmosphere of Gresham’s was characterized on the tenets of most societal structures,namely money,power,status,authority,force. It was the latter which earned Jeremy a modicum of respect as he discharged a firearm on occasion alongside the Young Cadet Force  and which became etched on his mind as he gradually came to realize that this could become a means to an end.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #482 on: February 07, 2013, 01:15:PM »
A relentless tease”-was this Jeremy’s preferred form of entertainment at Gresham’s to while away an hour on a winter’s morn,a means of exciting attention from his peers as he made crude sexual remarks gleaned from his farmyard background about the new influx of girls as boarders,or was there a more sinister undertone to his bullying as he rose among the ranks and wielded his brand of vengeance among the younger,defenceless and more impressionable boys,as he became increasingly aware of his station:not on a par with the cleverest boys of the landed gentry,one of whom he might well have faced several years hence in that Chelmsford courtroom. Did Jeremy finally expunge the memory of those earliest years as he releflected on that little boy on the school bus with an apple in his satchel draped round his torso,frightened to converse lest he let slip his refined accent and draw more opprobrium from his coarser fellow passengers.

Jeremy thus found by chance his place in the social hierarchy and not in any intrinsic or extrinsic forces however benevolent their intention. Such forces were sadly lacking in Jeremy’s upbringing as Jeremy missed that benign human contact,that one person who could draw him aside,put a kindly hand on his shoulder and enquire genially as to the boy’s well-being. Jeremy reacted to the myriad of forces at play with alienated compliance tinged with a strange bitterness as he drew ever-closer to himself as he fantasised about an as yet unmorphed sense of revenge. This artificially monied atmosphere of Gresham’s was characterized on the tenets of most societal structures,namely money,power,status,authority,force. It was the latter which earned Jeremy a modicum of respect as he discharged a firearm on occasion alongside the Young Cadet Force  and which became etched on his mind as he gradually came to realize that this could become a means to an end.
Steve, I compliment you on your flowing poetic prose but not on the sentiments contained therein.  This is supposition and imagination running riot!!! :) :) :)
 

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« Reply #483 on: February 07, 2013, 01:16:PM »
The fingerprint evidence backs up Julie's words,as the perpetrator had to wipe the gun after the glove came off. I don't see Jeremy receiving a telephone call from a third party,so I'm afraid this story implicates the main suspect in the case.

The is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to suggest the gun was wiped!! Seriously Steve, we havd visited this point many times and it is unhelpful to everyone to keep repeating it!

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« Reply #484 on: February 07, 2013, 01:22:PM »
Steve needs a holiday at the Osea Caravan Park I think.

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« Reply #485 on: February 07, 2013, 01:25:PM »
The fingerprint evidence backs up Julie's words,as the perpetrator had to wipe the gun after the glove came off. I don't see Jeremy receiving a telephone call from a third party,so I'm afraid this story implicates the main suspect in the case.
With all due respect Steve that doesn't make sense at all. Because he had already admitted to handling the gun the previous evening. So why use gloves and why wipe the gin clean. Gun I mean and not the gin. ::)
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« Reply #486 on: February 07, 2013, 01:39:PM »
The is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to suggest the gun was wiped!! Seriously Steve, we havd visited this point many times and it is unhelpful to everyone to keep repeating it!
Sorry but the Jeremy supporters are in denial:there were two of Jeremy's fingerprints on the gun,one of Sheila's and three unidentified prints,possibly from Police. If Jeremy had taken the gun out to shoot rabbits immaterial of whether he shot any or not his fingerprints should be all over the gun;similarly with Sheila if she had struggled with Nevill and a ceiling light got smashed.

We are yet again instructed to swallow what the Defence imagined happened with Sheila in a state of psychosis,and not what the facts lead us otherwise to believe.

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« Reply #487 on: February 07, 2013, 01:43:PM »
With all due respect Steve that doesn't make sense at all. Because he had already admitted to handling the gun the previous evening. So why use gloves and why wipe the gin clean. Gun I mean and not the gin. ::)
Because he wanted more of Sheila's prints on the gun,but he got a shock when Nevill put up such a struggle. "He put up quite a fight for an old man" he told Julie. Remember Jeremy had written off Nevill amongst others as having nothing to live for,as Nevill wistfully held the souvenirs of his past life:cards,theatre programmes,photographs of his siblings,with Jeremy coming way down the pecking order however much Nevill tried to conceal.

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« Reply #488 on: February 07, 2013, 01:43:PM »
 Someone tried to cover their tracks,,but it wasn't Jeremy.
 Why would he,,,waste of time seeing as he spent most of his time at WHF. ? So I would have imagined that his DNA,etc was everywhere.
 There were plenty of other fingerprints to which forensics had marked as impaired/contaminated.
The upshot of the whole case was that a professional crime scene wasn't carried out as it should have been,,,and the police relied on past hearsay and not the crime in hand.

As I've said before,,the police were all hanging on to their jobs by the skin of their teeth on account of not finding the murderer of Dr.Jones wife,Diane. They were held over a barrel on this one. 

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« Reply #489 on: February 07, 2013, 01:46:PM »
With all due respect Steve that doesn't make sense at all. Because he had already admitted to handling the gun the previous evening. So why use gloves and why wipe the gin clean. Gun I mean and not the gin. ::)
Hi Lugg, I see Steve's reasoning in so far as if only Jeremy's fingerprints were found on the rifle well it would be immaterial as to whether he had handled the gun the night before, he would have been the only person to have handled the gun. 
However, if he was setting a scene trying to implicate Sheila surely he would have just pressed her palms, fingers etc. all over the gun without having to worry about his own.  This would have been far more convincing and not hard to do. 
My guess is that the police wiped the gun for some unexplained and incompetent reason.

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« Reply #490 on: February 07, 2013, 01:47:PM »
Someone tried to cover their tracks,,but it wasn't Jeremy.
 Why would he,,,waste of time seeing as he spent most of his time at WHF. ? So I would have imagined that his DNA,etc was everywhere.
 There were plenty of other fingerprints to which forensics had marked as impaired/contaminated.
The upshot of the whole case was that a professional crime scene wasn't carried out as it should have been,,,and the police relied on past hearsay and not the crime in hand.

As I've said before,,the police were all hanging on to their jobs by the skin of their teeth on account of not finding the murderer of Dr.Jones wife,Diane. They were held over a barrel on this one.
Violent schizophrenics in a state of psychosis do not seek to cover their tracks:they are potty and dangerous and should be locked up.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164366/Schizophrenic-killed-Jonathan-Zito-set-moved-high-security-prison.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #491 on: February 07, 2013, 01:48:PM »
Hello Maggie

I always thought steve knew Jeremy now I know where they met at Greshams ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #492 on: February 07, 2013, 01:50:PM »
Hi Lugg, I see Steve's reasoning in so far as if only Jeremy's fingerprints were found on the rifle well it would be immaterial as to whether he had handled the gun the night before, he would have been the only person to have handled the gun. 
However, if he was setting a scene trying to implicate Sheila surely he would have just pressed her palms, fingers etc. all over the gun without having to worry about his own.  This would have been far more convincing and not hard to do. 
My guess is that the police wiped the gun for some unexplained and incompetent reason.
Jeremy must have had the jitters after the struggle with Nevill but still had Sheila to deal with. He led her by hand from her bedroom into June's room and shot her quickly unawares,then must have had a second fright as he realized she wasn't dead and was forced to shoot her again.

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« Reply #493 on: February 07, 2013, 01:51:PM »
Because he wanted more of Sheila's prints on the gun,but he got a shock when Nevill put up such a struggle. "He put up quite a fight for an old man" he told Julie. Remember Jeremy had written off Nevill amongst others as having nothing to live for,as Nevill wistfully held the souvenirs of his past life:cards,theatre programmes,photographs of his siblings,with Jeremy coming way down the pecking order however much Nevill tried to conceal.
I'm sure Neville found a great deal of pleasure in happy memories and momentos Steve.  I shall have to remember to hide sentimental memories from my children in case they decide it's time to shoot me and bury me under the patio. ;D

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« Reply #494 on: February 07, 2013, 01:53:PM »
Jeremy must have had the jitters after the struggle with Nevill but still had Sheila to deal with. He led her by hand from her bedroom into June's room and shot her quickly unawares,then must have had a second fright as he realized she wasn't dead and was forced to shoot her again.
With respect steve, as I said before, beautiful prose....no substance ;D