Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[susan]

Hi lookout  hope Moddy Mags is not going to be deleting our posts all the time and throwing us off

[lookout]

Hi lookout  hope Moddy Mags is not going to be deleting our posts all the time and throwing us off

Hi Susan,,,oh I shouldn't think so,,or I'll have to bash her.x

[maggie]

Hi lookout  hope Moddy Mags is not going to be deleting our posts all the time and throwing us off

You'd better watch your tongue, young susan

[maggie]

Hi Susan,,,oh I shouldn't think so,,or I'll have to bash her.x

[susan]

Mags  speak to Roch on the Avatar he is a top man in this field.  Would really like to see what he suggests for you.  Hope it is not a stick of rhubarb

[lookout]

Mags  speak to Roch on the Avatar he is a top man in this field.  Would really like to see what he suggests for you.  Hope it is not a stick of rhubarb

As long as it isn't limp,Susan.That's the main thing.

[Lugg]

That's why Jeremy had to wipe the gun. The wearing of gloves and their destruction is a minor part to the proceedings and would present no problem to Jeremy,who was obviously in some cocaine-induced state oblivious to correct procedure inside the Farm,hence only the one fingerprint of Sheila's pressed onto the gun after death. The Defence has to explain why there was only one of Sheila's prints on the gun,not the Prosecution. To claim that the Police wiped the gun before fingerprinting took place is a lame excuse.

Obviously Strange the police never picked up on this though? Perhaps they were also in a cocaine induced state? Because neither were they aware of the correct proceedure at a crime scene. My argument is at least logical though. They were the last people to handle the gun therefore it is logically more than likely that they were the ones who wiped the gun clean. That is the simplest answer without having to jump through many hoops to arrive at that conclusion.

[susan]

Hi Lugg 

[maggie]

Obviously Strange the police never picked up on this though? Perhaps they were also in a cocaine induced state? Because neither were they aware of the correct proceedure at a crime scene.My argument is at least logical though. They were the last people to handle the gun therefore it is logically more than likely that they were the ones who wiped the gun clean. That is the simplest answer without having to jump through many hoops to arrive at that conclusion.

[Jane]

Obviously Strange the police never picked up on this though? Perhaps they were also in a cocaine induced state? Because neither were they aware of the correct proceedure at a crime scene. My argument is at least logical though. They were the last people to handle the gun therefore it is logically more than likely that they were the ones who wiped the gun clean. That is the simplest answer without having to jump through many hoops to arrive at that conclusion.

Of course it's obvious, Lugg. Only someone as clever and knowledgable as AE would pick up that Jeremy pupil's were dilated. :D

[Lugg]

Hi Lugg 

Hi Susan,
I was just reading one of the other cases on the forum and it made me think, at least they have the support of their families. Jeremy has no one from his family to support him. How easy it must be to turn against and believe to be guilty one who is not a blood relation? To be SO EASILY and quickly to be persuaded of his guilt? Just think for a moment. For Jeremy to have committed that awful crime. To kill everyone in his immediate family he must have been aware of the fact that none of his family would be there to support him through this tragedy. And that ALL of the remaining (non family members) are so convinced of his guilt and have persuaded all their friends that he is so that he has absolutely no one to care for him. Even that hypasensitive and tender in conscience girlfriend of his could only remember bad things to say about him and none of those good things that made her stay with him for two years. In fact nothing good about him has ever come out of her mouth. How strange? How easily that love turned to hate once he had dumped her? Amazing!
If I were Jeremy I just would not know how to cope if I was continually bullied and abused by those who both my former family and strangers with an over developed sense of self importance and a sanctimonious attitude towards this stranger. I find this both distressing and sad.

[Lugg]

Of course it's obvious, Lugg. Only someone as clever and knowledgable as AE would pick up that Jeremy pupil's were dilated. :D

Adrenaline could do that. Its a pity she didn't think to look at her own pupils. She may have had a surprise?

[maggie]

Hi Susan,
I was just reading one of the other cases on the forum and it made me think, at least they have the support of their families. Jeremy has no one from his family to support him. How easy it must be to turn against and believe to be guilty one who is not a blood relation? To be SO EASILY and quickly to be persuaded of his guilt? Just think for a moment. For Jeremy to have committed that awful crime. To kill everyone in his immediate family he must have been aware of the fact that none of his family would be there to support him through this tragedy. And that ALL of the remaining (non family members) are so convinced of his guilt and have persuaded all their friends that he is so that he has absolutely no one to care for him. Even that hypasensitive and tender in conscience girlfriend of his could only remember bad things to say about him and none of those good things that made her stay with him for two years. In fact nothing good about him has ever come out of her mouth. How strange? How easily that love turned to hate once he had dumped her? Amazing!
If I were Jeremy I just would not know how to cope if I was continually bullied and abused by those who both my former family and strangers with an over developed sense of self importance and a sanctimonious attitude towards this stranger. I find this both distressing and sad.

It is a dreadful situation to be in, with no family to fight for him he must have spent years totally alone.  He can't be such an ogre as people state tho' because he has actually managed to build a circle of friends even from within prison.'

[susan]

Hi Lugg a post from the heart.  I feel so sorry for Jeremy he has nobody at all and how lonely he must feel at times to have no close family who are willing to believe in him.  I am sorry to say this but if I were his birth Mother I would be there for him after all she carried him for 9 months and he is a part of her.  I would go against my husband if need be as my boy would always come first innocent or guilty. I have often wondered who took all his things when he first went to prison he kinda became a non person belonging to nobody I do hope he has some loyal friends around him.  I guess over the lonely years he will have hardened himself up to the situation to become a survivor and he will fight to the death to prove he is innocent. Wonder if Julie ever at anytime thinks back to the 2 years she had with.  Lugg she did not love Jeremy she just wanted to control him and when she lost the control she then set out to feather her own nest.  How could she stand up in Court I wonder if she looked him in the eye at anytime no I suppose she was too busy crying.  I also think Jeremy did not love her as they would have married and lived at WHF Jeremy was too young at 24 to be a husband and was I think immature as most are at that age.

[maggie]

 

Adrenaline could do that. Its a pity she didn't think to look at her own pupils. She may have had a surprise?

...what are you on Lugg??