Author Topic: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?  (Read 12209 times)

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Caroline R

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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2012, 02:45:PM »
I tend to look at it as would it be enough to prove to somebody else, in a court of law for example, my opinion is that it's not even close.

I'm also suspicious that Mike hasn't made too much of it where as he has thrown his weight behind lesser anomolies.

Regardless of your views, I have made my point, kudos to you for changing the title.

This isn't a court of law - it's a forum for debate! I have never even hinted that returning a gun to WHF means that JB must be innocent. Merely that it is a strange thing to do given the plans to remove the guns etc. the following day! Kinda like decorating your house just before demolition!

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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2012, 02:56:PM »
This isn't a court of law - it's a forum for debate! I have never even hinted that returning a gun to WHF means that JB must be innocent. Merely that it is a strange thing to do given the plans to remove the guns etc. the following day! Kinda like decorating your house just before demolition!

 I never suggested either of those things, I only used a 'court of law' as an example for my logic and conclusion. It is precisely that it sounds odd, that I am skeptical it occurred at all.

It doesn't make sense, it doesn't actually read as is being suggested (imo) and it doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere else.
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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2012, 03:04:PM »
I never suggested either of those things, I only used a 'court of law' as an example for my logic and conclusion. It is precisely that it sounds odd, that I am skeptical it occurred at all.

It doesn't make sense, it doesn't actually read as is being suggested (imo) and it doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere else.
Hi Hartley, I must say that reading that phrase in the context it is in, I would agree with Caroline and assume that he was returning a gun to WHF.  Just an opinion but then that's all that it can be imo. ;D

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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2012, 03:08:PM »
Hi Hartley, I must say that reading that phrase in the context it is in, I would agree with Caroline and assume that he was returning a gun to WHF.  Just an opinion but then that's all that it can be imo. ;D

I don't need to say that I disagree, do I?  ;)



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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2012, 03:17:PM »
I don't need to say that I disagree, do I?  ;)

Are you sticking with 'the toy gun' theory  ;)

Caroline R

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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2012, 03:19:PM »
Hi Hartley, I must say that reading that phrase in the context it is in, I would agree with Caroline and assume that he was returning a gun to WHF.  Just an opinion but then that's all that it can be imo. ;D

Thank you Maggie!  :)

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Re: Why Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2012, 03:23:PM »
I think your description of Pros versus anti's (for want of a better description), is ridiculous, it's an attempt to stereotype, the truth of the matter is that there are fanaticals amongst both groups, and there are genuine reasonable people amongst both groups, to suggest otherwise is in essence one of my pet grumbles and it simply shows a tendancy to catagorise.

Take the title of this thread for example, it is leading, innaccurate and quite frankly the type of thing I have come to expect from certain posters (on both sides). If it was worded as a question, such as "hey look what I've found, what do you think this means?", then I have no problem, but that's not the case.

What is even worse, is that the original poster in this thread, spends a great deal of time and effort berrating other people for making assumptions and coming up with things that can not be substantiated or not based on anything of merit, but only if they don't conform to her views. Hypocrisy is king it seems.  ::)


It sounds as if you were offended by what I said. Giving offence was not my intention. I was making observations, not pointing fingers. As to the title of the thread not being appropriate, I really couldn't tell you what the title was/is, as I pick threads by the last person to post because a witty, provacative, intelligent post will make any topic worth reading.

I re read my original post to find where I'd "stereotyped" anyone. I don't believe I did. I spoke of the "greatest difference," not the ONLY difference. I allow that there are reasonable and fanatical posters from both sides. I would never refer to you as fanatical, but neither do I feel that your response to my post was entirely reasonable given that my own was neither insult nor attack, but an observation of human behaviour.

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« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2012, 03:24:PM »
Are you sticking with 'the toy gun' theory  ;)

Lol, no, I'm not sticking to any theory, it may well be the case that your suggestion is spot on, I really don't know but I think it's unlikely for all the reasons that I've already given. My argument wasn't about what happened, it was about using the document posted in this thread as proof that it happened, where as it is not proof at all. A discussion point, sure, but nothing more without further information to support the theory one way or the other.

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« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2012, 03:26:PM »

It sounds as if you were offended by what I said. Giving offence was not my intention. I was making observations, not pointing fingers. As to the title of the thread not being appropriate, I really couldn't tell you what the title was/is, as I pick threads by the last person to post because a witty, provacative, intelligent post will make any topic worth reading.

I re read my original post to find where I'd "stereotyped" anyone. I don't believe I did. I spoke of the "greatest difference," not the ONLY difference. I allow that there are reasonable and fanatical posters from both sides. I would never refer to you as fanatical, but neither do I feel that your response to my post was entirely reasonable given that my own was neither insult nor attack, but an observation of human behaviour.

Yeah I kind of read it as a bit of a dig, I apologise if I took you the wrong way.

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Re: Why Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2012, 03:29:PM »
Yeah I kind of read it as a bit of a dig, I apologise if I took you the wrong way.



Thank you, Jam. I accept your apology :)

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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2012, 03:32:PM »
Hi april  your response to Mr.Jam was not offensive in any shape or form it was a very well put together intelligent post without any malice.  I am sure Mr.Jam did not really think you were having a "dig" just winding you up. He can be quite naughty that way at times :)

Caroline R

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« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2012, 03:37:PM »
Lol, no, I'm not sticking to any theory, it may well be the case that your suggestion is spot on, I really don't know but I think it's unlikely for all the reasons that I've already given. My argument wasn't about what happened, it was about using the document posted in this thread as proof that it happened, where as it is not proof at all. A discussion point, sure, but nothing more without further information to support the theory one way or the other.

I don't believe I did do that. However, there are many 'outrageous' claims made here where no source is provided - I hope you will be as dogmatic in response to such claims in the future with other posters!

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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2012, 03:40:PM »
Hi april  your response to Mr.Jam was not offensive in any shape or form it was a very well put together intelligent post without any malice.  I am sure Mr.Jam did not really think you were having a "dig" just winding you up. He can be quite naughty that way at times :)


Thank you Susan  :) :)

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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2012, 03:41:PM »
I suppose someone could ask Peter Eaton exactly what he did? At least it will stop the speculation.

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Re: Did Peter Eaton Return a Gun Back To WHF on 9th Aug 1985?
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2012, 03:43:PM »
I don't believe I did do that. However, there are many 'outrageous' claims made here where no source is provided - I hope you will be as dogmatic in response to such claims in the future with other posters!

I'm confused by this, it is precisely the outrageous claims made on here that I spend most of my time discrediting.

There are however certain posters (a couple from both sides) that are so full of xxxx that I don't bother with them at all.
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