Did Sheila Suffer An Attachment Disorder Resulting In Affectionless Psychopathy?

[maggie]

Maggie, you can't say "I've never sent you a PM" and then list times when you have. 

except mat that is what I said and apart from one which said...mat susie is not jackie or words to that effect I have never approached you. ....never.

[guest154]

except mat that is what I said and apart from one which said...mat susie is not jackie or words to that effect I have never approached you. ....never.

 

Okay, Maggie. Let's not get into it.

[killingeve]

Ok months ago I used to speak to egap by pm about adoption. One night I had too much wine and I sent a post which was over emotional and possibly a bit strange to her . I find the whole adoption of my children quite an emotional experience. I realised the next day that I should not have sent this post. I pmd egap and apologised. Since then everything has been fine shes told me stuff and I have replied. Suddenly I am being accused of sending her offensive posts and I am absolutely gobsmacked.

Hi Maggie

Errr I think we have pm'd regularly and very recently about adoption.  As I said I would love for us to post all pm's and let posters decide.  If they find them boring they can stop reading.  You're the one who seems reluctant. 

What does "shes told me stuff and I have replied mean"?  You initially pm'd me and thereafter I have replied to your pm's.  You initiated the contact. 

I don't propose to continue this as it really is rather childish. 

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

Errr I think we have pm'd regularly and very recently about adoption.  As I said I would love for us to post all pm's and let posters decide.  If they find them boring they can stop reading.  You're the one who seems reluctant. 

What does "shes told me stuff and I have replied mean"?  You initially pm'd me and thereafter I have replied to your pm's.  You initiated the contact. 

I don't propose to continue this as it really is rather childish.

Yes it is extremely childish and I dont know where it came from. I do not want my private information I gave you posred on this forum. I trusted you...dont worry about my weird pms. You wont be getting any more so that will be a relief for you.

[Roch]

Maybe a cooling off period might help     

[Roch]

Hi Steve_uk

Was Dr F a credible expert witness.  I rather think not.  I'm more inclined towards seeing a repeat of Prof Roy Meadows.

However when JB's case gets back to CoA, and it will, top pscychologists and psychiatrists specialising in attachment disorders and adoption will be called in and along with all the other flawed and fabricated evidence our justice system will be seen for what it is all over the world ie flawed along with the evidence.

Here's hoping.

[guest154]

I truly don't expec this case to get near the COA. I think that in Novemeber when the JR doesn't fall in favour of Bamber there is going to be a lot of upset people on this board.

[Neil]

I truly don't expec this case to get near the COA. I think that in Novemeber when the JR doesn't fall in favour of Bamber there is going to be a lot of upset people on this board.

What makes you say this Mat?

Do you have any insider knowledge?

[Roch]

I truly don't expec this case to get near the COA. I think that in Novemeber when the JR doesn't fall in favour of Bamber there is going to be a lot of upset people on this board.

I think that people should prepare for a negative decision.  I think most will... and that there is a certain amount of resignation from the innocent lot, in terms of things not going how they would like. 

[elphick]

I think that people should prepare for a negative decision.  I think most will... and that there is a certain amount of resignation from the innocent lot, in terms of things not going how they would like.

My view is that we should simply recall how things have gone so far and apply the same knowledge this time. Evidence shows that people should prepare for a negative decision, and acknowledge that there isn't much further to go from there.

[guest154]

What makes you say this Mat?

Do you have any insider knowledge?

No, not really. I just think the given the appeal information the CCRC made the right decision and nothing put forward will allow the JR to go agaisnt the CCRC. Even if it does, which it won't, the CCRC will then look at the appeal information again and come to the same conclusion.

[Neil]

My view is that we should simply recall how things have gone so far and apply the same knowledge this time. Evidence shows that people should prepare for a negative decision, and acknowledge that there isn't much further to go from there.

The thing is, we don't know what is going on regarding the appeal.  I hope that Simon McKay is pulling out all the stops.

What is the next legal step that would be taken if they do get knocked back?

[elphick]

The thing is, we don't know what is going on regarding the appeal.  I hope that Simon McKay is pulling out all the stops.

What is the next legal step that would be taken if they do get knocked back?

I assume that a failed Judicial Review is pretty much the end of the line, but someone more qualified can tell us what they think. As for what is going on behind the scenes, I'd point to the last 27 years, many many people have been pulling out all the stops. Mckay has done all he can.

[lookout]

I truly don't expec this case to get near the COA. I think that in Novemeber when the JR doesn't fall in favour of Bamber there is going to be a lot of upset people on this board.

We're under no illusion that the JR isn't going to be a difficult road .
There is evidence a'plenty to prove that Jeremy didn't do it,as opposed to the lack of evidence to say that he did.
It's in the interest of the public to be protected from wrongful imprisonment,and I see this as another step forward for Jeremy, and another chance to be heard.
There's no earthly reason why his case shouldn't reach the COA. Why not.?

I would hope that Lord Dennings assertion of " Be you ever so high,the law is above you ",,is ringing in Simon McKays ears.  I'm sure things will go well. Positivity is the motto.

[killingeve]

I was of the opinion that the likelihood of SC suffering an attachment disorder was high given June's mental illness circa '59 and possible unintentional neglect leading up to this.  My view on this has been reinforced further by the recent knowledge that SC spent time in a nursery in between leaving her birth mother and arriving with her adoptive mother. 

I read an article in The Times on Sun by psychotherapist Benjamin Fry re his mental health issues which he believes stem from the loss of his mother at 11 months old.  SC suffered the loss of at least 4 primary care givers over the first 2/3 years of her life.

http://www.benjaminfry.co.uk/pdf/timesarticle.pdf

I'm utterly convinced the answer to the tragedy at WHF is here.