Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[grahameb]

I don't see the significance of those two photographs grahame as regards the character of Julie Mugford. Could you possibly elucidate?

Well if she did know all about JB's plans then her "innocent" face makes her just as guilty as JB. If guilty he be. But if she is as innocent as she looks it means that she made it all up at a later stage ie after JB  dumped her.

[Steve_uk]

Nobody needed any excuse to ride a bicycle for goodness sake,,least of all Jeremy who had a good car. The suggestion of a bicycle was for Julies' use to cycle from Goldhanger to the farm when Jeremy was at work.
Supposition and autosuggestion  like that doesn't work on here,Steve

I really don't know where to start with that one so I'll just leave it hanging in the air and trust that it is recognized  for the absurd scribbling it manifestly is..

[lookout]

I really don't know where to start with that one so I'll just leave it hanging in the air and trust that it is recognized  for the absurd scribbling it manifestly is..

No need for compliments Steve.

[tyler]

No need for compliments Steve.

Take no notice Lookout..........bike was forensically tested and no evidence found!

[Steve_uk]

Well if she did know all about JB's plans then her "innocent" face makes her just as guilty as JB. If guilty he be. But if she is as innocent as she looks it means that she made it all up at a later stage ie after JB  dumped her.

Grahame I think you referred to the wrong photographs but if you mean those taken at the funeral you have a point and who knows if DS Stan Jones put the frighteners on Julie with information that he had gleaned from the relatives. Julie knew that she had a fine balancing act to perform at the trial to put enough distance between herself and Jeremy so as not to make her an accessory after the fact,and yet to be perceived as close enough to him to be a credible witness. I reiterate unless and until the Jeremy supporters can rubbish Julie's evidence with hard facts then the authorities will not risk letting a 5 times convicted murderer out of prison.

[lookout]

Take no notice Lookout..........bike was forensically tested and no evidence found!

Hi tyler,,yes,,and Steve knows that too,,he's just being pedantic.

[Roch]

who knows if DS Stan Jones put the frighteners on Julie with information that he had gleaned from the relatives. Julie knew that she had a fine balancing act to perform at the trial to put enough distance between herself and Jeremy so as not to make her an accessory after the fact,and yet to be perceived as close enough to him to be a credible witness. I reiterate unless and until the Jeremy supporters can rubbish Julie's evidence with hard facts then the authorities will not risk letting a 5 times convicted murderer out of prison.

That's a fair post though I would be tempted to change the last sentence slightly. 

[Steve_uk]

Hi tyler,,yes,,and Steve knows that too,,he's just being pedantic.

Jeremy had enough time to clean the bicycle whilst he was supposedly flicking through Yellow Pages for ten minutes,when one quick call to 999 was the best way of trying to prevent loss of life at the farm,let alone waking up Julie in London. To my knowledge Jeremy was never forensically tested nor his cottage searched thoroughly on the morning of the investigation because the Police went with the theory he had planted in their heads.

[Bridget]

That's a fair post though I would be tempted to change the last sentence slightly.

To what? It's harsh, but probably true.

With regards Julie, it may be worth pointing out that she is a real live person with as much ability as anyone else to get forums shut down. Just sayin..

[Steve_uk]

That's a fair post though I would be tempted to change the last sentence slightly.

Roch the Boutflour and Eaton relatives have expressed concern regarding their own safety should Jeremy Bamber be released. I just can't envisage a scenario where his conviction is ruled as unsafe,because you couldn't have Jeremy wandering around Winnipeg..the only end I can see to this is for the government to build a facility on a remote Scottish island similar to the Anders Behring Breivik installation they are building in Norway which might afford Jeremy a modicum of dignity free from the danger of attack in his old age.

[grahameb]

Take no notice Lookout..........bike was forensically tested and no evidence found!

For everyone's information especially the over imaginative steve-uk, the bike was thoroughly forensically examined by the appropriate authorities and rightly discounted by them as being used in the "crime" by anyone. It was (and this has been verified) taken to JB's house in order that JM could use it. This has been established even by those close to the family.
The idea that the bike was used in the crime came entirely from RWB's fairytail diary. Unfortunately it has taken root in the minds of those who think they have the caee all worked out in their tiny minds.

[Roch]

To what? It's harsh, but probably true.

I think it's more a case of being not being seen to let him out without her statements and testimony trashed.  I do not believe the case is not politicised.

[susan]

steve may I just ask you a simple question.  You are in no doubt Jeremy Bamber is guilty.  He is in prison for life for the crimes.  Your point on the forum is not to prove his guilt as the Court did that so who are you on here defending and why do you find it necessay to do this.

[Roch]

Roch the Boutflour and Eaton relatives have expressed concern regarding their own safety should Jeremy Bamber be released.

It's a pity nobody expressed strong enough concerns about the danger they represented 27 years ago, even if it was inadvertant on their part.  Debatable.

[Steve_uk]

For everyone's information especially the over imaginative steve-uk, the bike was thoroughly forensically examined by the appropriate authorities and rightly discounted by them as being used in the "crime" by anyone. It was (and this has been verified) taken to JB's house in order that JM could use it. This has been established even by those close to the family.
The idea that the bike was used in the crime came entirely from RWB's fairytail diary. Unfortunately it has taken root in the minds of those who think they have the caee all worked out in their tiny minds.

Not at all it's in Julie's statement that this is how Jeremy planned to access the farm in the early hours of the morning. There is the  other detail in Julie's testimony about a glove coming off in the fight with Nevill,the kitchen window access,Jeremy chuckling in her ear at Goldhanger "I should have been an actor" whilst the Police were in a contiguous room,the spree which Jeremy indulged in,the torn up photograph of the twins,the information for which I think came from Brett Collins..