Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[lookout]

Yes,and you will also find her statement regarding Ralph's(Nevill's) anxiety about a possible shooting accident which might befall him in the near future. Had his RAF training made him sense danger lurking when Jeremy was nearby? Had he been suspicious of Jeremy's recent Damascene conversion to the farming industry,behaviour also noted by Ann Eaton? Had Nevill looked Jeremy in the eye and been shocked at the nature of what he saw? He was sufficiently concerned to voice these fears to Barbara,as well as adding that "I must never turn my back on that young man" thus ruling Sheila completely out of the equation,as if that were somehow necessary anyway with a London model more concerned about breaking a nail whilst washing the pots rather than ever contemplating the messy business of loading a cartridge case,the cartridge case full of ammunition which Jeremy had emptied out onto the kitchen counter not a few hours previously,along with the .22 anschutz rifle which he had just happened to leave on the settle in the kitchen.

Oh dear,,Steve,you're misconstruing what Ralph said by putting your emphasis on " never ".It was meant to have been said in reference to looking after Jeremy,as opposed to letting Sheila muddle along with her illness. You say it your way,,Steve,,we'll say it ours.
Strange how there were no derogatory statements from Barbara Wilson. Because Jeremy was always well-mannered and didn't give anyone any cause to question his behaviour in the family home.
Whatever you've said or suggested about Jeremy,doesn't make him a murderer.
How do you know that Ralph didn't put the rifle and cartridges away after Jeremy had left.? Ralph used to do this as a ritual,tidying up after the rifles were finished with. That night wouldn't have been any different,,more so because the children were staying.

[tyler]

Yes,and you will also find her statement regarding Ralph's(Nevill's) anxiety about a possible shooting accident which might befall him in the near future. Had his RAF training made him sense danger lurking when Jeremy was nearby? Had he been suspicious of Jeremy's recent Damascene conversion to the farming industry,behaviour also noted by Ann Eaton? Had Nevill looked Jeremy in the eye and been shocked at the nature of what he saw? He was sufficiently concerned to voice these fears to Barbara,as well as adding that "I must never turn my back on that young man" thus ruling Sheila completely out of the equation,as if that were somehow necessary anyway with a London model more concerned about breaking a nail whilst washing the pots rather than ever contemplating the messy business of loading a cartridge case,the cartridge case full of ammunition which Jeremy had emptied out onto the kitchen counter not a few hours previously,along with the .22 anschutz rifle which he had just happened to leave on the settle in the kitchen.

I have explained this to you before.Nevill was receiving threats from someone (possibly hence the installation of the panic alarm).A friend of Nevill made a witness statement stating that he was present a couple of times when Nevill took calls from this person/persons in his office.These calls were unnerving Nevill.Do you think that perhaps this what he was referring to when he had that alleged conversation with BW? Dont forget that at the time of his death,Nevill was having a very troubled relationship with Anthony Pargeter re:Anthonys anger that Nevill had recently given JB a small holding farm that Anthony felt should have stayed within the Pargeter family.

[Steve_uk]

Hi steve and remember the pillow she put over his face when she tried to smother him saying "if I can't have him nobody can" Julie was not terrorised by Jeremy or anybody else.  She was quite able to commit fraud without Jeremy twisting her arm up her back.  Do you honestly think had Jeremy planned these murders he would have confided in her then dumped her think about it.  Jeremy was not a brainless person I don't think for one moment he was the cunning evil person some try to portray.  Answer my earlier question after identifying two little 6 year old boys at the morgue then sharing Jeremy's bed for a further 4 weeks is this normal behaviour from a woman's point of view not normal at all maybe males are different.  Every moment of looking at Jeremy she would have seen the two little boys and their little innocent faces and she should have if normal felt physically sick and would have been revolted by his touch.

 The pillow incident was a tantrum,as was stabbing the teddy bear.But they left on amicable terms because Jeremy helped Julie move into her new flat. Julie did tackle Jeremy about the killings and how he could just carry on,how Colin had comforted him and been understanding whilst all the time Jeremy had been the perpetrator. This probably did make the situation unbearable between the two of them,along with the fact that Jeremy possibly thought he could do better than Julie now he had his inheritance. As far as Jeremy was concerned the White House Farm murders were in the past,along with Julie,and now he was free to live life on his terms.

[lookout]

Indeed,,somebody wanted Jeremy to get the blame. Of that there's no doubt whatsoever.

[susan]

steve maybe when Jeremy twisted Julie's arm up her back he was just having a tantrum and they made it up.  How do you know Julie tried to talk to him about the murders unless of course you are Julie.You still think it was normal behaviour for Julie to share a bed with a man that had just murdered 5 people two of them being 6 year olds that she had seen lying in the morgue.  Their little innocent faces should have haunted her everytime she looked at Jeremy.  Stop evading the question steve you cannot have everything your way to fit your theories.

[Steve_uk]

steve maybe when Jeremy twisted Julie's arm up her back he was just having a tantrum and they made it up.  How do you know Julie tried to talk to him about the murders unless of course you are Julie.You still think it was normal behaviour for Julie to share a bed with a man that had just murdered 5 people two of them being 6 year olds that she had seen lying in the morgue.  Their little innocent faces should have haunted her everytime she looked at Jeremy.  Stop evading the question steve you cannot have everything your way to fit your theories.

It's so ridiculous to blame Julie Mugford,a 21 year old student for the consequences of Jeremy's handiwork it beggars belief. She did broach the subject with Jeremy who replied that he had something mentally wrong with him or words to that effect because he felt nothing. He felt nothing because those five people meant nothing to him in his life,don't you see? A young girl in love finally saw that she had been used when Jeremy expressed more enthusiasm for being in the company of both Virginia and Brett than the girl he had been dating for two years.

[Jane]

steve maybe when Jeremy twisted Julie's arm up her back he was just having a tantrum and they made it up.  How do you know Julie tried to talk to him about the murders unless of course you are Julie.You still think it was normal behaviour for Julie to share a bed with a man that had just murdered 5 people two of them being 6 year olds that she had seen lying in the morgue.  Their little innocent faces should have haunted her everytime she looked at Jeremy.  Stop evading the question steve you cannot have everything your way to fit your theories.

How could one possibly share a bed and close ones eyes on a man, known to have killed 5 people without wondering and worrying about who might be his 6th victim?

[Steve_uk]

How could one possibly share a bed and close ones eyes on a man, known to have killed 5 people without wondering and worrying about who might be his 6th victim?

..because she had been going steady with him for two years and saw that in many ways he was just immature and insecure,and when presented with the fait accompli she stayed by his side as many women have done in the past. The murders were over,they were past events and both Julie and Jeremy were looking to the future,though in different directions. I'm not sure they were ever alone together anyhow during those five weeks;I believe Jeremy made the excuse that they had better not talk privately in case the Maida Vale Flat were bugged.

[susan]

steve I would like to know how you know about intimate conversations between Julie and Jeremy.  Answer my question is it normal behaviour for a woman to share a bed with a man who she knew had murdered his family and she had been to the morgue and seen the little faces of the twins knowing that Jeremy was responsible for their deaths.  A normal woman would have  found Jeremy repulsive and would have not been able to look at him.  Sleep with him I suspect be intimate with him drinking together.  Had Jeremy carried out these murders she would have been equally as guilty as him and stop trying to tell me she was terrified of him as I will never buy that.  I suspect he was bored with her and would have wanted to move on from her and certainly would not have confided in her with regard to such a serious crime.  Think about it that would be information kept to himself.

[Moe Cassani]

What a fertile imagination...

No more fertile than yours Mike.

[susan]

steve  I think you must be Julie you seem to know so much about private conversations that went on between her and Jeremy or perhaps you are a close relative.

[lookout]

How could one possibly share a bed and close ones eyes on a man, known to have killed 5 people without wondering and worrying about who might be his 6th victim?

April,,JM knew full well that Jeremy hadn't murdered anyone,,but because there was another woman on the scene,,she put on a display of sheer spite and scorn,,then added to it until she became in too deep so had to scarper,,as you would if you'd told tales like that which would land them in prison. In the end,,she must have convinced herself. One day,,she might just see the error of her ways. No wonder she doesn't want to see him released. Just as if he's going to do anything,,good God,,he's been incarcerated for nothing as it is.
It was purely and simply a revenge attack from JM,,,trouble was,,it went a bit further than she'd anticipated.   

[Steve_uk]

steve I would like to know how you know about intimate conversations between Julie and Jeremy.  Answer my question is it normal behaviour for a woman to share a bed with a man who she knew had murdered his family and she had been to the morgue and seen the little faces of the twins knowing that Jeremy was responsible for their deaths.  A normal woman would have  found Jeremy repulsive and would have not been able to look at him.  Sleep with him I suspect be intimate with him drinking together.  Had Jeremy carried out these murders she would have been equally as guilty as him and stop trying to tell me she was terrified of him as I will never buy that.  I suspect he was bored with her and would have wanted to move on from her and certainly would not have confided in her with regard to such a serious crime.  Think about it that would be information kept to himself.

Susan he needed her visiting the cottage to have the excuse of the bicycle to ride. The conversations are going from Julie Mugford's testimony which records conversations they had together over the period you are talking about.

[tyler]

So.......Julie knew that JB had executed his family,including 2 sleeping little boys.
If she really believed this,then how long do we think the sheer horror of it all would hit her and she should go to the police?
On the morning of the murders?
After a visit with a devastated Colin?
After viewing their bodies at the mortuary?
After the twins funeral?

Or after JB dumps her and takes up with another woman.

After hearing whispers that Jeremy was being blamed for the tragedy, she was surely worried as to what was going to be exposed regarding any previous criminal activities she and JB had undertaken.
Now,Julie has lost the man she loves,any inheritance that Im sure she hoped to benefit from and her dream of a teaching career now in jeopardy.

Now is when she decides to go to the police.

[susan]

right steve understand now the only reason he bothered with Julie and told her he had murdered his family so he could have June's bike at his cottage I never thought of that.