Exposing what took place by reference to use of broom handle in reconstruction

[Bridget]

What has totally been disproven about that line in the logs?  Nothing has been disproven at all     We will never ever know exactly what that line refers to.

Wasn't the next line 'no response' (or similar)? I was reading GDS's submissions on this the other day, I noticed that he failed to mention the 'no response' part.

[lookout]

I know the police are unbelievably thick,,,but surely one can tell if a person's dead or not. Can they.?

[Bridget]

Okay,Moe.Can you tell me why CPR was even mentioned if there was absolute proof that Sheila was dead.? Nobody but nobody attempts CPR on a " visually " dead person ( rigor and livor mortis )

Who mentioned CPR though? No one who was there.

[Roch]

Wasn't the next line 'no response' (or similar)? I was reading GDS's submissions on this the other day, I noticed that he failed to mention the 'no response' part.

The no response to challenge does not disprove the line that preceeds it.  Police could have been in conversation, then issued a further challenge, to which there was no response. 

[lookout]

Indications would have been choking/spluttering after the first wound,,,,particularly as she would have been lying flat on top of the bed as her airways would have contained blood.
Beds are no good for performing CPR,,unless a board is put beneath that person,,so she'd have been lifted onto the floor,,a harder surface. That's where she was found.

[lookout]

Who mentioned CPR though? No one who was there.

Hi Bridget,,I'll try and find the said link. I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't read about it .So many links.!

[Bridget]

The no response to challenge does not disprove the line that preceeds it.  Police could have been in conversation, then issued a further challenge, to which there was no response.

Yes but then you would expect to see either another line relating to the further challenge, or something which says that she ceased responding, as opposed to no response.

[lookout]

The " lost clues " was in the MailOnline 11th of January 2008,,,which stated that Sheila wasn't dead when police had entered the farmhouse,so she was then put in the recovery position,,hence the blood-flow out of the corners of her mouth.
I'm sorry,,,but the indications must have been there,,even though I wasn't,,,to enable the police to see if they could have saved her life. A dead person,as you know,is completely lifeless,and visibly deceased in many ways.

[Roch]

Yes but then you would expect to see either another line relating to the further challenge, or something which says that she ceased responding, as opposed to no response.

No really.  The logs do not identify the sex of the person police are in conversation with, nor the content or nature of the conversation.  If a conversation took place, it will have occured prior to the entry which refers to it in the logs and may have still been taking place at the time the entry occurs.  or it may have petered out.  Challenges then issued.  No reponse.

[Bridget]

The " lost clues " was in the MailOnline 11th of January 2008,,,which stated that Sheila wasn't dead when police had entered the farmhouse,so she was then put in the recovery position,,hence the blood-flow out of the corners of her mouth.
I'm sorry,,,but the indications must have been there,,even though I wasn't,,,to enable the police to see if they could have saved her life. A dead person,as you know,is completely lifeless,and visibly deceased in many ways.

Can you post a link to the article, or at least say who is suggesting that CPR was attempted?

[Bridget]

No really.  The logs do not identify the sex of the person police are in conversation with, nor the content or nature of the conversation.  If a conversation took place, it will have occured prior to the entry which refers to it in the logs and may have still been taking place at the time the entry occurs.  or it may have petered out.  Challenges then issued.  No reponse.

Even you have to admit that's something of a stretch..

[-Harters-]

The " lost clues " was in the MailOnline 11th of January 2008,,,which stated that Sheila wasn't dead when police had entered the farmhouse,so she was then put in the recovery position,,hence the blood-flow out of the corners of her mouth.
I'm sorry,,,but the indications must have been there,,even though I wasn't,,,to enable the police to see if they could have saved her life. A dead person,as you know,is completely lifeless,and visibly deceased in many ways.

It's okay, they're not lost any more, I've found them. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-507801/The-lost-clues-clear-Bambi-killer-gunning-family.html

Have you read Bob Woffindens other, more recent article on this? "I was wrong about Bambi Killer" in the MailOnline 16th of May 2011:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

It's also worth reading Mcdonells blood pattern evidence (he was instructed by the defence), particularly regarding the blood patterns to Sheila: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

[Roch]

Even you have to admit that's something of a stretch..

How?

[jon]

David Shaw claim's he as listened to the tape and you can hear SC , he went on to say this was done in front of his solicitor , presumably in case legal action was taken against him , after the publication of his book !!

[Bridget]

How?

The entry stating 'no response' was just 4 minutes after the one which suggested they were in a conversation. If there had have been a conversation don't you think they would have detailed what was said? If not in the logs then in someone's statement. It's far more likely that they spent 4 minutes shouting through a loudhailer and got no response.