Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?

[Bridget]

Look very closely at the two typed billing documents, (a) Jeremys cottage, and (b) whf? The format of the billing detail is completely different. This suggests very strongly that one (a) had a different type of phone contract to the other, One (a) had a business contract, the other (b) did not. One (b) had its calculated by reference to a metered call log, whilst the other (a) was calculated by reference to itemised calls as part of a business call package...

The format is different because they are two completely different reports.

Somebody tried to produce a metered call log pertaining to whf, so that deatils of Ralphs call to Jeremy contained in the business itemized  billing log did not have to be mentioned at court...

That doesn't make sense. Why would someone try to produce a log if the intention was to hide it?

Why does the printed one which includes WHF only contain one call to a hospital in Windsor and nothing else?

[Bridget]

Good Morning To You Bridget  I was under the impression that you could obtain itemised phone bills in 1985.  If you were always getting bills say for £50 and suddenly you got one for say £100 you would of course challenge this with BT and they would have to prove you had used an extra £50 by showing where this amount had come from then you could see that naughty people were using your phone when they had no right to do so

Morning Susan, what I'm saying is that I don't believe BT would have been able to prove you had used the extra in the 80's just like the electricity suppliers can't if the same thing happens with your electricity bill now. I expect that's why they felt the need to go over to digital exchanges and itemised billing later.

[susan]

Hi Bridget  I'll need a week to think about that off to Tesco's

[Bridget]

Hi Bridget  I'll need a week to think about that off to Tesco's

Again? Enjoy..

[mike tesko]

The format is different because they are two completely different reports.

That doesn't make sense. Why would someone try to produce a log if the intention was to hide it?

Why does the printed one which includes WHF only contain one call to a hospital in Windsor and nothing else?

Different forms because they were different types of phone contract, one was billed by way of a metered call log, and the other by itemised call log. The difference being accounted for because the phone at whf was for business use, whereas the phone at Jeremys cottage was not...

Form M414 is linked to the Inland Revenues office and practices I think, which if true would mean that the handwritten details which present the detailed calls in a metered call log format, were allowable and claimable expenses against the business account known as N & J Bamber Ltd. You will note that the person who recorded these details fails to identify themselves or provide any further information as to where the details which are written were obtained from? This is because if the persons identity had been provided there would be a witness who could be called to the trial to testify to the fact that business records show Ralph did make a call to jeremy...

The details recorded on forms M414 were produced as part of the original investigation when police were treating the case as four murders and a suicide. That is why calls to the hospital are listed, it was relevant information to the original enquiry. Once the nature of the case changed, police carried out a similar check to confirm or disprove whether or not Ralph called Jereny from whf?

He did...

[mike tesko]

The phone records which list allowable expenses against the business (N& J Bamber Ltd) must have had sometging to do with the accountant who wound up business after the death of Mr and Nrs Bamber. If true, it would be odds on that the executor of the estates would have known if Ralph did make a call to Jeremy? He would have known this because the cost of that call to Jeremy would have been claimed back as an allowable business expense as part of the relevant tax period...

Relatives would also have known that Jeremys claim that Ralph called him in the middle of the night, could easily and quickly be checked against the itemised call log available as part of the business - strange how not one single relatuce raised tgis with the police as a meabs of testing the truth and varacity of what Jeremy had said...

[Bridget]

Different forms because they were different types of phone contract, one was billed by way of a metered call log, and the other by itemised call log. The difference being accounted for because the phone at whf was for business use, whereas the phone at Jeremys cottage was not...

That still doesn't explain why there is only one call shown for WHF, and it just happens to be a hospital (payphone).

Form M414 is linked to the Inland Revenues office and practices I think, which if true would mean that the handwritten details which present the detailed calls in a metered call log format, were allowable and claimable expenses against the business account known as N & J Bamber Ltd. You will note that the person who recorded these details fails to identify themselves or provide any further information as to where the details which are written were obtained from? This is because if the persons identity had been provided there would be a witness who could be called to the trial to testify to the fact that business records show Ralph did make a call to jeremy...

It doesn't look like an IR form to me, it looks like the sort of form any business or organisation might use for recording a customer's call. It seems to me that it was just something handy to write notes on, and that's what the person did, whoever they were.

The details recorded on forms M414 were produced as part of the original investigation when police were treating the case as four murders and a suicide. That is why calls to the hospital are listed, it was relevant information to the original enquiry. Once the nature of the case changed, police carried out a similar check to confirm or disprove whether or not Ralph called Jereny from whf?

He did...

Ok, I get the hospital part, but that would suggest that there exists a log of all calls. So far the logs you have produced show nothing but hospitals (payphones), apart from the Clacton call, which is probably also a payphone. This was a family home and a working business, it's inconceivable that there wouldn't be a large number of calls listed to friends, relatives, suppliers, customers and employees. Yet there are none of those shown on the pages you have produced for March. If these are supposed to be proof that there was such a capability, why aren't they there?

[lookout]

I'm amazed that given the semi-isolation of the farmhouse that a burglar alarm wasn't installed,,and also that there wasn't a mobile phone in the place,as they were available at that time even though they were the size of a house brick.
I'm sure if I'd been threatened,the first thing I'd think about would be an alarm system,,,where doors and windows can be wired,along with " pads " on relevant floor areas.