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Offline Bridget

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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2012, 07:40:PM »
Quote from: Patti on July 17, 2012, 07:36:PM
You are making it all up Bridget....A phone meter records calls...electric records units....poppycock!!!

The evidence is there in 1985 and it is clear that a call could be recorded from that meter...It shows call from WHF to Northampton in March 1985 so it could be done...1-0 to me hahahahahah  :) :) :) :)

The calls to Northampton were to payphones and are not local.
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2012, 07:44:PM »
Quote from: Bridget on July 17, 2012, 07:40:PM
The calls to Northampton were to payphones and are not local.

If a call was made to a local pay phone, are you saying that it would not show up in the metered call log?
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2012, 07:47:PM »
Quote from: Bridget on July 17, 2012, 07:40:PM
The calls to Northampton were to payphones and are not local.

look like its actually 1-0 to you Bridget  ;)
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2012, 07:48:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on July 17, 2012, 07:44:PM
If a call was made to a local pay phone, are you saying that it would not show up in the metered call log?

No, I'm saying that logs you provided show only calls to payphones - wherever they are.
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2012, 07:51:PM »
The phone call or lack of is pivotal. Surely Bambers legal team would have looked into the issue. I hear they didnt do a good job, but please, they wouldnt have been that bad.
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2012, 07:51:PM »
Quote from: Bridget on July 17, 2012, 07:48:PM
No, I'm saying that logs you provided show only calls to payphones - wherever they are.

No they don't...
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #82 on: July 17, 2012, 08:30:PM »
Quote from: Bridget on July 17, 2012, 07:52:PM
Yes they do...
Oh no they don't. ;D
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2012, 09:32:PM »
Does everyone appreciate the significance of these telephone logs?
If a call was made from WHF in the middle of the night (it doesn't really matter at what precise time) to Jeremy's residence and within the time period that even a motor car could travel to Jeremy's residence, a telephone call was made from Jeremy's phone at his residence, it beyond peradventure establishes that Jeremy wasn't a murderer! Jeremy couldn't have made both calls but he certainly did make the latter call. The former call obviously was made by a live person when Jeremy couldn't have been present at WHF!!!
I suppose there is a possibility that (Ralph?) was battered senseless by Jeremy and Jeremy left WHF believing that Ralph was dead, but he (Ralph) managed to (say) regain consciousness and get to the phone but, on that scenario, Ralph would not have rung Jeremy's residence; he would simply have rung 999.
So, come on Mike, please, please, please pass the phone records to Jeremy's legal team
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #84 on: July 17, 2012, 09:50:PM »
Quote from: jim ignatowski on July 17, 2012, 09:32:PM
Does everyone appreciate the significance of these telephone logs?
If a call was made from WHF in the middle of the night (it doesn't really matter at what precise time) to Jeremy's residence and within the time period that even a motor car could travel to Jeremy's residence, a telephone call was made from Jeremy's phone at his residence, it beyond peradventure establishes that Jeremy wasn't a murderer! Jeremy couldn't have made both calls but he certainly did make the latter call. The former call obviously was made by a live person when Jeremy couldn't have been present at WHF!!!
I suppose there is a possibility that (Ralph?) was battered senseless by Jeremy and Jeremy left WHF believing that Ralph was dead, but he (Ralph) managed to (say) regain consciousness and get to the phone but, on that scenario, Ralph would not have rung Jeremy's residence; he would simply have rung 999.
So, come on Mike, please, please, please pass the phone records to Jeremy's legal team

Well said Jim... but has Mike actually stated he has the records in question?  I doubt he has.
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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2012, 10:32:PM »
Form  M414 would be a good starting point for Jeremy's solicitors to start enquiries - find out what the purpose of recording information about these telephone calls being made on this Form, was made? Are there different numbered forms for different types of enquiry? Who has control of such forms, and under what circumstances were details contained on /in them issued or obtained?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 10:33:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2012, 10:32:PM »
Quote from: Bridget on July 17, 2012, 07:40:PM
The calls to Northampton were to payphones and are not local.

But the calls to Maldon and Braintree aren't......How do you work out they are phone boxes, where do you get that information from? Please tell! lol  :) :) :)
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #87 on: July 17, 2012, 10:37:PM »
Has this got anything at all to do with what we are talking about?

(1) - http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/policy/ps08_01.pdf
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2012, 10:38:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on July 17, 2012, 10:37:PM
Has this got anything at all to do with what we are talking about?

(1) - http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/policy/ps08_01.pdf

If so, why would someone be interested in recording telephone conversations, from the middle of March 1985, onwards, made from whf?
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Re: Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?
« Reply #89 on: July 17, 2012, 10:40:PM »
Quote from: mike tesko on July 17, 2012, 10:38:PM
If so, why would someone be interested in recording telephone conversations, from the middle of March 1985, onwards, made from whf?

Were all calls made from whf being recorded as part of some covert operation, and if so, was a record made of the conversation between (a) Ralph and Jeremy, and (b) Ralph and the police? If so, where would such records be kept, and ho had access to them?
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