Imagine if court was deceived over the claim there was no call from whf to JB?

[mike tesko]

Why should a suspect / convicted person carry the can for negligence on the part of his legal team? How can that be regarded as being fair?

How many other things does everybody want to blame Jeremy for doing, or being responsible for?

[mike tesko]

are yes of course your right.

so if the call was made it should be on the phone bill.

Yes, logged in the cheap rate call period, 6pm, Tuesday, 6th August 1985, to 8am, Wednesday, 7th August 1985, showing duration, and which was billed, accordingly...

[Roch]

Why should a suspect / convicted person carry the can for negligence on the part of his legal team? How can that be regarded as being fair?

The point I'm making is... why didn't somebody linked to the defence ask for metered call records, as opposed to itemised bills?  It doesn't seem to be a huge step to make in consequntial thinking.  Perhaps the metered document in question is not helpful to JB?

[mike tesko]

The point I'm making is... why didn't somebody linked to the defence ask for metered call records, as opposed to itemised bills?  It doesn't seem to be a huge step to make in consequntial thinking.  Perhaps the metered document in question is not helpful to JB?

If it wasn't helpful to Jeremy's case, it would have been the first record the prosecution would have exhibited and relied upon to prove that no such call from whf ever took place - fact is it did...

If no such record existed, why did Essex police go to the trouble of seizing Jeremy's answer phone ( from his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger)  and audio tapes from it, to see if there was any evidence contained upon it, to support the theory that Jeremy called his own number from the scene?

[susan]

Hi nugnug  I think Jeremy was very badly let down by the police and his own Defence Team who appear to have done so little.  I think the Solicitor he has now will uncover evidence which will eventually free Jeremy.

[Bridget]

Why would metered phone bills be any different from metered electricity bills? The electricty company can tell you how many standard rated units you used, and how many off peak units you used, but they can't tell you which day you used them or what you used them for.

[jon]

How many other things does everybody want to blame Jeremy for doing, or being responsible for?

If Rivilin asked BT , is it possible to tell me whether there was a call between WHF and Goldhanger , it is possible BT said 'no' , but if he asked how many telephone units were used on the 7th Aug between 12 midnight and 8 in the morning , he may have got an answer in so many units , which then could have been calculated and investigating detectives could have worked it out  , was anyone from BT called to COA in 2002 ? Or did Rivilin not make any inquiries at all ? It surely could not have been the latter !!

[Roch]

If it wasn't helpful to Jeremy's case, it would have been the first record the prosecution would have exhibited and relied upon to prove that no such call from whf ever took place - fact is it did...

If no such record existed, why did Essex police go to the trouble of seizing Jeremy's answer phone ( from his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger)  and audio tapes from it, to see if there was any evidence contained upon it, to support the theory that Jeremy called his own number from the scene?

I can see your argument.  Nevetheless, nobody on here has seen the metered document in question.  Why couldn't the defence have got their own copies if it was useful to them?

[jon]

Why would metered phone bills be any different from metered electricity bills? The electricty company can tell you how many standard rated units you used, and how many off peak units you used, but they can't tell you which day you used them or what you used them for.

Do you not think an electrical company would be able to tell you , what your account was at midnight on any given day even if they had to look back a few weeks ? I do !!

[Bridget]

Do you not think an electrical company would be able to tell you , what your account was at midnight on any given day even if they had to look back a few weeks ? I do !!

No, I know they can't.

[mike tesko]

If Rivilin asked BT , is it possible to tell me whether there was a call between WHF and Goldhanger , it is possible BT said 'no' , but if he asked how many telephone units were used on the 7th Aug between 12 midnight and 8 in the morning , he may have got an answer in so many units , which then could have been calculated and investigating detectives could have worked it out  , was anyone from BT called to COA in 2002 ? Or did Rivilin not make any inquiries at all ? It surely could not have been the latter !!

This is a very good point...

It seems nobody looked deeply into it, and nobody attempted to find out how these metered calls could be interpreted on behalf of the defence? Of course, it was possible by reference to the details obtainable from the metered call logs to establish if such a call could have been made at the crucial moment from whf to Jeremy's cottage, and how long such a call lasted?

Jeremy was badly let down by all parties, and as a result he did not receive a fair trial, because the court was fooled into accepting that it was not possible to check or to know if such a call could have been made, but the fact of the matter is that it could, and was...

[jon]

No, I know they can't.

How ? Do you work for one ?

[maggie]

Do you not think an electrical company would be able to tell you , what your account was at midnight on any given day even if they had to look back a few weeks ? I do !!

Yes jon but everything is digital now, in those days everything was more complicated.

[susan]

Hi Bridget   how are you well I hope.  What about gas

[Bridget]

How ? Do you work for one ?

If they could they wouldn't keep bugging me for meter readings.

But you're missing my point. Mike's theory over the standard / peak rates or whatever on the phones assumes that BT keep records of everyones' usage on at least a daily basis. What I'm suggesting is that they don't. The code dialled and time of day tell the 'meter' what rate to charge and it simply clocks up the units for the various categories of charge. At the end of the billing period you get a bill which simply tells you the total.