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Offline Bridget

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2012, 11:01:AM »

Hi Bridget,,,Sheila didn't like drowsy,,she was a night owl. Early mornings her speciality. Very early.

No one likes to be drowsy all the time, that's why she asked for her Haldol dose to be reduced.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2012, 12:29:PM »
It's not really strange if you think about it - if he was tring to plant the idea of Sheila having done it in the minds of police it would have assisted in their 'understanding' of what had happened. It would make his story more credible if the gun was easily available to the 'nutter'. Denying any knowledge of the whereabouts of the gun would be more the actions of a guilty person under suspicion, and at that point he wasn't, and he knew he wasn't.

Jeremy didn't need to say he left the gun out. Sheila had easy access to all the guns in WHF as the gun cupboard had no lock and AP's gun was kept in the bathroom.

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2012, 12:34:PM »
Personally I think the silencer evidence is a red herring and I don't believe it was used. (1) Because JB said it was not on the gun when he left it there. (strange that people accept that he left the loaded gun there but they reject his testimony when he said it didn't have the silencer on it? A bit of cherry picking going on there I think) (2) If it was used then it certainly did not good at all because  everyone was awake it seems except the boys. So as far as I can see it is redundant evidence and should never have been accepted as evidence.


Grahame,,a lot of issues were irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2012, 12:36:PM »
Jeremy didn't need to say he left the gun out. Sheila had easy access to all the guns in WHF as the gun cupboard had no lock and AP's gun was kept in the bathroom.

Oops Patti already made that point.

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2012, 12:46:PM »
Jeremy didn't need to say he left the gun out. Sheila had easy access to all the guns in WHF as the gun cupboard had no lock and AP's gun was kept in the bathroom.

Of course he didn't need to, but doing so improved the credibility of his story.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2012, 12:48:PM »
Of course he didn't need to, but doing so improved the credibility of his story.
How would it?

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2012, 12:55:PM »
How would it?

Because it's easier to believe that Sheila went into one of her rages and grabbed a convenient gun with a loaded magazine right next to it, than it is to believe that she would go hunting in cupboards for weapons, and then know which ammunition goes with it and where to find it whilst in that state.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2012, 01:15:PM »
Because it's easier to believe that Sheila went into one of her rages and grabbed a convenient gun with a loaded magazine right next to it, than it is to believe that she would go hunting in cupboards for weapons, and then know which ammunition goes with it and where to find it whilst in that state.

You overlook something of importance and significance...

Police believed a shotgun was fired inside whf during the incident, which caused them to seize a 12 bore shotgun and an empty 12 bore shotgun cartridge, and to fingerprint the same...
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2012, 01:33:PM »
You overlook something of importance and significance...

Police believed a shotgun was fired inside whf during the incident, which caused them to seize a 12 bore shotgun and an empty 12 bore shotgun cartridge, and to fingerprint the same...

What makes you think they believed that?
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2012, 03:01:PM »
What makes you think they believed that?

A local resident by the name of Smith, reported that he heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf on the evening before police went to the scene. He made a witness statement saying that he heard the shotgun blast, between 9:30 - 1015pm, on 6th August 1985...
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2012, 03:18:PM »
A local resident by the name of Smith, reported that he heard a shotgun blast come from the direction of whf on the evening before police went to the scene. He made a witness statement saying that he heard the shotgun blast, between 9:30 - 1015pm, on 6th August 1985...

And why is that important and significant?
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2012, 03:27:PM »
And why is that important and significant?
  Because when the police fingerprinted the shotgun, they found Ralph's and Sheila's fingerprints upon it...
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2012, 03:37:PM »
So what? They also didn't find any shotgun blasts to the walls.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2012, 08:45:PM »
Because it's easier to believe that Sheila went into one of her rages and grabbed a convenient gun with a loaded magazine right next to it, than it is to believe that she would go hunting in cupboards for weapons, and then know which ammunition goes with it and where to find it whilst in that state.
All he needed to do to establish that was say nothing at all and plead ignorance.

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2012, 09:07:PM »
All he needed to do to establish that was say nothing at all and plead ignorance.

I'm not following you, he's not going to plant many seeds in their heads by pleading ignorance, is he?
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