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Offline Roch

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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2012, 09:07:PM »
It strikes me that all this JB cunningly tried to frame his sister just doesn't add up at all.  He's somehow predicted that in years to come, it would become widely known that there are numerous incidences of mothers killing their own children, due to a combination of mental health issues and fear of losing their children.  Back in the mid 80's?  No.  Not widely known at all.  To coin a phrase oft used by certain posters, A far simpler explanation would be for Sheila to be one of the first of an increasing batch of mothers who would go on to commit these tragic crimes in the modern era. 

Portrayed her as a 'nutter'.  The term 'nutter' was an extremely common phrase used back in the 80's, at a time when people in gerneral displayed less respect, empathy and understanding towards people suffering mental health issues.  It was a Thatcherite 'sink or swim' mentality.   JB portrayed his sister in much the same way as she was portrayed in her last known telephone call to another prosecution witness, i.e. listless, distant etc.   

For somebody who has supposed to have set Sheila up, just when things were going to plan, instead of exclaiming woe about how his nutter sister has just killed everyone I told you so etc, he blames 'those men with the guns' who went in to the farmhouse.

The setting up of Sheila is fantasy.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2012, 09:12:PM »
It strikes me that all this JB cunningly tried to frame his sister just doesn't add up at all.  He's somehow predicted that in years to come, it would become widely known that there are numerous incidences of mothers killing their own children, due to a combination of mental health issues and fear of losing their children.  Back in the mid 80's?  No.  Not widely known at all.  To coin a phrase oft used by certain posters, A far simpler explanation would be for Sheila to be one of the first of an increasing batch of mothers who would go on to commit these tragic crimes in the modern era. 

Portrayed her as a 'nutter'.  The term 'nutter' was an extremely common phrase used back in the 80's, at a time when people in gerneral displayed less respect, empathy and understanding towards people suffering mental health issues.  It was a Thatcherite 'sink or swim' mentality.   JB portrayed his sister in much the same way as she was portrayed in her last known telephone call to another prosecution witness, i.e. listless, distant etc.   

For somebody who has supposed to have set Sheila up, just when things were going to plan, instead of exclaiming woe about how his nutter sister has just killed everyone I told you so etc, he blames 'those men with the guns' who went in to the farmhouse.

The setting up of Sheila is fantasy.

As I've said before, he didn't have to predict anything. As you said yourself, there was much less understanding in the 80's of mental illness, and I'm sure he thought the 'nutter with the gun' would suffice.
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2012, 09:20:PM »
As I've said before, he didn't have to predict anything. As you said yourself, there was much less understanding in the 80's of mental illness, and I'm sure he thought the 'nutter with the gun' would suffice.

I've amended your post to show my amended quote.  I'm not buying it Bridget.  It's bollocks.  He could just as easily have termed his sister as a 'nutter' because the term was common.  The use of the word 'nutter' is therefore not indicative of having 'set her up'.  Neither do I buy your assertion that he would simply chance his arm, at including child murder by a mother. 
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Re: Absent soot from blood tells a story...
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2012, 10:29:PM »
It strikes me that all this JB cunningly tried to frame his sister just doesn't add up at all.  He's somehow predicted that in years to come, it would become widely known that there are numerous incidences of mothers killing their own children, due to a combination of mental health issues and fear of losing their children.  Back in the mid 80's?  No.  Not widely known at all.  To coin a phrase oft used by certain posters, A far simpler explanation would be for Sheila to be one of the first of an increasing batch of mothers who would go on to commit these tragic crimes in the modern era. 

Portrayed her as a 'nutter'.  The term 'nutter' was an extremely common phrase used back in the 80's, at a time when people in gerneral displayed less respect, empathy and understanding towards people suffering mental health issues.  It was a Thatcherite 'sink or swim' mentality.   JB portrayed his sister in much the same way as she was portrayed in her last known telephone call to another prosecution witness, i.e. listless, distant etc.   

For somebody who has supposed to have set Sheila up, just when things were going to plan, instead of exclaiming woe about how his nutter sister has just killed everyone I told you so etc, he blames 'those men with the guns' who went in to the farmhouse.

The setting up of Sheila is fantasy.

I agree with this - Jeremy was accusing the police of shooting dead his family,  he was not trying to pin the blame on his sister...
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