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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2012, 10:54:PM »
Barbara Wilson is convinced of bamber's guilt

Barbara Wilson had made 14 statements to the police,,and not one was a damning one against Jeremy.
She'd actually stated that she got on better with JB than she did her own son. In a statement,she'd described Jeremy as a likeable young man,,,who was pleasant,,not violent in any way,,,and not once did she mention  at any time that Nevill had told her that JB intended to kill him,or anything which could be interpreted as such.  Nevill didn't have thoughts that he may die in the near future.
Barbara Wilson didn't mention this at the trial,,regardless of what had been bandied about of JB wanting to kill his family.

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2012, 11:25:PM »
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If recent Arizona tests true...

Well they've not been knocked.

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...Silencer evidence manufactured

The Ministry of Common Sense would concur.


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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2012, 12:06:AM »
Barbara Wilson had made 14 statements to the police,,and not one was a damning one against Jeremy.
She'd actually stated that she got on better with JB than she did her own son. In a statement,she'd described Jeremy as a likeable young man,,,who was pleasant,,not violent in any way,,,and not once did she mention  at any time that Nevill had told her that JB intended to kill him,or anything which could be interpreted as such.  Nevill didn't have thoughts that he may die in the near future.
Barbara Wilson didn't mention this at the trial,,regardless of what had been bandied about of JB wanting to kill his family.

Can you post a link to Barbara Wilson's 14 statements please?
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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2012, 09:12:AM »
One of the reasons why the CCRC may have rejected the latest expert ballistic / medico evidence could be that they felt they might be drawn in to the argument that the silencer, blood and paint evidence which was used and relied on to great effect, was and had been manufactured by police, family and prosecution expert witnesses. This could help to explain why the CCRC refused to exercise thier power to get an independant expert report to nullify the conclusions of the Arizona tests?

The odd thing that strikes me about the scratch makes is that on the 13th August a paint sample was taken from underneath the Aga. These scratch marks could have been done in the attempt to get the sample by whoever it was that took the sample. Innocently done.

AE says in her statement that up to then she had not noticed the scratch marks.

Peter Sutherst confirms this in his analysis of the photographs taken at the crime scene and after the sample was taken.

In MHO the scratch marks and paint on the silencer evidence, would be now be very weak coming from the CPS if it was examined in court today.

It could be argued that paint could have got onto the silencer at time and not on the night of the murders. Blood however, is not so easy to argue upon. Although, it is now claimed that no DNA found on the silencer, belonged to Sheila.  In order to eliminate silencer was never used, there should be no trace of blood in or on the silencer.

Again, this has weakened the CPS's argument considerably and now could be argued that the silencer had been contaminated, from the moment it was taken out of the cupboard.  :) :) :)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2012, 09:19:AM »
Patti, hi, good morning, how was the wedding and are you sober yet!!!!! Thought about you at 3.30 and hoped the sun was shining. Back to topic!! When you refer to scratches on Aga, are you meaning scratches ON Aga or scratches on mantel piece surrounding Aga?

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2012, 09:20:AM »
Hi Neil  did you enjoy the tennis what a disaster Nadal going out so early. :(

Nooooooooooooooooooo really???? Not seen the news yet  :'( ;) ;) ;)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2012, 09:27:AM »
Patti, hi, good morning, how was the wedding and are you sober yet!!!!! Thought about you at 3.30 and hoped the sun was shining. Back to topic!! When you refer to scratches on Aga, are you meaning scratches ON Aga or scratches on mantel piece surrounding Aga?

Hi April..wedding was fantastic, she looked beautiful and the day was sunny and hot. Brought my granddaughter back with me, she looked like a princess....Had to buy a new camera, mine broke yesterday morning, so had to nip a buy one...I can't wait to see the photos....My son went into town, he has not come back yet..no doubt he went to the casino with his friend and he has stayed there... :D :D

I am on about the scratch marks under the mantel piece of the Aga.....that the CPS claimed the silencer had made.... :) :) :)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2012, 09:31:AM »
Hi Patti  glad the wedding went well also glad you are back Bridget has been quite naughty actually saying she was going to tell lies when she did the polygraph test.  Shame about Nadal nearly lost Rodg last night he took the match in the last 5th set. :) :) :)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2012, 09:37:AM »
Hi Patti  glad the wedding went well also glad you are back Bridget has been quite naughty actually saying she was going to tell lies when she did the polygraph test.  Shame about Nadal nearly lost Rodg last night he took the match in the last 5th set. :) :) :)

Nothing new there then Susan...hahahahahh

Our Bridget is nice really....she is very knowledgeable about the case, but she wont pass the lie detector if she tells fibs.... :) :) :) :)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2012, 09:38:AM »
Hi Patti  why are you unable to use the document. ???

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 09:42:AM »
Hi Patti  why are you unable to use the document. ???

There is no space left on the forum....It has been posted before...Mike might know how to upload it... :) :) :)

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2012, 11:51:AM »
Can you post a link to Barbara Wilson's 14 statements please?


Bridget go to Bambertweets and see the info there. The statement is there containing the " character reference " that she gave of Jeremy. There wasn't one damning one,,in fact,,there were a couple which stated how likeable Jeremy was.
It was PE 12 months after the murders that she " damned ". Because of this case at the time,,that other case concerning PE never saw light of day,,,and this is where Barbara Wilson probably changed her mind about the whole WHF affair.

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2012, 12:10:PM »

Bridget go to Bambertweets and see the info there. The statement is there containing the " character reference " that she gave of Jeremy. There wasn't one damning one,,in fact,,there were a couple which stated how likeable Jeremy was.
It was PE 12 months after the murders that she " damned ". Because of this case at the time,,that other case concerning PE never saw light of day,,,and this is where Barbara Wilson probably changed her mind about the whole WHF affair.

I did, and found one 6 or 7 line extract from one statement, soI'm wondering where you got this from:

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She'd actually stated that she got on better with JB than she did her own son. In a statement,she'd described Jeremy as a likeable young man,,,who was pleasant,,not violent in any way,,,and not once did she mention  at any time that Nevill had told her that JB intended to kill him,or anything which could be interpreted as such.  Nevill didn't have thoughts that he may die in the near future.
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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2012, 12:25:PM »
Hi Lookout

I'm not aware of any suicide letter to Sheila's birth mother.    My understanding is that Sheila sent 7/8 letters in total.  The last being sent about 2 weeks before the murders and this wld have been around the time of Sheila's birthday (I think?).  These letters played no part in the original police investigation/trial.  Dr Ferguson was asked at trial what affect this reunion may have had on Sheila and he said Sheila saw it as a positive experience but that the parting may have been difficult.

In preparation for the 02 CoA hearing the letters were obtained by EP but my understanding is that they have not been disclosed and remain under PII :o.  Here's the link:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1989.msg60921.html#msg60921


Again,,,the post is amongst the Bambertweets,depending which section of them that you highlight.
It was something that Jeremy was told while inside the prison,,along with information about Farhad,is it,,the friend of Sheila's anyway,,who he said of her that Sheila used to punch the twins in the face.
He was asked to appear in court ( for Jeremy's defence ),,but wasn't called as a witness.?

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Re: If recent Arizona tests true, Silencer evidence manufactured...
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2012, 12:43:PM »

Again,,,the post is amongst the Bambertweets,depending which section of them that you highlight.
It was something that Jeremy was told while inside the prison,,along with information about Farhad,is it,,the friend of Sheila's anyway,,who he said of her that Sheila used to punch the twins in the face.He was asked to appear in court ( for Jeremy's defence ),,but wasn't called as a witness.?

That's certainly not what Freddie said in any of his statements.
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