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Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...

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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2012, 06:15:AM »
Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...

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Is this statement consistent with that of Anthony Pargeter:

“Sometime after the 10 August 1985, I received a telephone call from David Boutflour who is a cousin of mine. He told me the silencer had been returned to the family, presumably by the police. He said there was a large scratch on it, some red paint on the knurled end and what appeared to be blood. I advised David to return it to the police straight away."?

But Peter Eaton says:

“On 10th August 1985, I was at home and Ann and her brother David BOUTFLOUR had gone to White House Farm to get Nevill's guns as we didn't like the thought of them being there when the house was empty. When they returned to the farm they had two shotguns and cartridges, some .22 calibre bullets and a silencer for a .22 calibre rifle, also a telescopic sight for the same type of gun. Up until that time I did not know Nevill had a silencer. I looked at the Silencer and saw that it had an elongated scratch on it, it also had some dark red paint on it and smudging of blood on the muzzle end. I believe Ann rang the Police to let them know what they had found. Detective Sergeant JONES arrived at the house and I handed to him the Silencer."

Presumably, this occurred before the police handed the same silencer back to David Boutflour who, soon after, phoned Anthony Pargeter as Pargeter relates in his statement.

It’s notable that Pargeter knows the date on which the silencer was allegedly handed in, otherwise why should he be uncertain of the exact date of David Boutflour’s call, but able to state "Sometime after 10th of August 1985."?

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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2012, 06:49:AM »

Is this statement consistent with that of Anthony Pargeter:

“Sometime after the 10 August 1985, I received a telephone call from David Boutflour who is a cousin of mine. He told me the silencer had been returned to the family, presumably by the police. He said there was a large scratch on it, some red paint on the knurled end and what appeared to be blood. I advised David to return it to the police straight away."

But Peter Eaton says:

“On 10th August 1985, I was at home and Ann and her brother David BOUTFLOUR had gone to White House Farm to get Nevill's guns as we didn't like the thought of them being there when the house was empty. When they returned to the farm they had two shotguns and cartridges, some .22 calibre bullets and a silencer for a .22 calibre rifle, also a telescopic sight for the same type of gun. Up until that time I did not know Nevill had a silencer. I looked at the Silencer and saw that it had an elongated scratch on it, it also had some dark red paint on it and smudging of blood on the muzzle end. I believe Ann rang the Police to let them know what they had found. Detective Sergeant JONES arrived at the house and I handed to him the Silencer."

Presumably, this occurred before the police handed the same silencer back to David Boutflour who, soon after, phoned Anthony Pargeter as Pargeter relates in his statement.

It’s notable that Pargeter knows the date on which the silencer was allegedly handed in, otherwise why should he be uncertain of the exact date of David Boutflour’s call but able to state "Sometime after 10th of August 1985."

What becomes clear as you say is that at some stage one of the silencers was handed back to the relatives by police (after/before 10th August 1985), and that the one handed back had a large scratch on it, some red paint on the knurled end, and what appeared to be blood on it. In my opinion this silencer had to be the very first one police took possession of from the scene, the one identifiable by the exhibit mark of SBJ/1. Which is indicated by the fact that no signed exhibit label bearing that identifying mark (SBJ/1) exists, even though up to 13th August 1985, a silencer bearing this identifying mark was taken to the lab' and examined by Glenis Howard, on that/this date, before being returned to DI "Ron" Cook the same day - I do not believe or accept that Cook retained personal possession of this silencer (SBJ/1) for 17 days between 13th and 30th August 1985, I think it was returned to the family, because the relatives  handed in the Bamber one found in the gun cupboard at the scene on evening of 12th August 1985, and that this is why no actual official record exists regarding the original find of silencer SBJ/1, and why the three ofther exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4, have been struck out of the official exhibits lists, because their existence proves that DS Jones found one of the silencers at the scene on 7th August 1985...

I think the seizure of those four exhibits (SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4) on 7th August 1985, by DS Jones from the scene (WHF) causes the police a major problem that they are unable to overcome or explain, and is commevtec to the handing back of the silencer in question to the relatives, as spoken about by A nthony Pargeter, and that this is linked to the handing in of the B\mber  silencer found at the scene by the relatves on 10th August 1985...
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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2012, 09:16:AM »
When David Boutflour was questioned by the COLP investigation in 1991 about what he said to Anthony Pargeter saying that he (Boutflour) had telephoned him and told him the police had handed back the silencer to the family, Boutflour tiold COLP that what he meant by that was that police had possession of the silencer originally, but handed it back to the family when they handed the keys to whf over to the family, with the silencer back in the gun cupboard. So, based on this explanation, the family were aware that the police knew about the silencer at the time the police handed over the keys to whf over to Ann eaton on the evening of 9th August 1985...

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if that be the case, police did know about the silencer before they handed the keys to whf over to Ann Eaton on evening of 9th August 1985, but they replaced it back in the gun cupboard before they handed the keys to Ann Eaton? This needs to be investigated...

We know that on afternoon of 9th August 1985, that DCI Jones, and DS Jones, went to see Jeremy at his cottage, 9 Head Street, Goldhanger on the previous evening to the shootings (6th August 1985), and spoke to him about the state of the rifle (anshuklz), where five bullets used in the shootings might have originated from, and whether or not the silencer was fitted to the barrel of the anshulz rifle on 6th August 1985? This came about because DS Jones had been giving DCI Jones some grief about the possibility that Sheila might not have been responsible for the shootings and takling her own life, in addition to the pressure being exerted upon the police by the relat8ves who were singing from the same hymn sheet on that particular day - DCI Jones had thrown the relatives (Ann Eaton, David Boutflour and Anthony Pargeter) out of Wuitham police station that day, telling them not to come to the police station trying to tell the police how to do police work. So, there is the history to why DCI Jones, and DS Jones, went along to see Jeremy on that (9th August 1985) particular day...

One of the key themes being whether or not the silencer was fitted to the barrel of the gun when Jeremy had possession of the rifle on the evening prior to the shootings, when he allegedly went out into the vicinity of the barns to do some rabbit shooting? Upon being questioned by the police about this matter, DCI Jones was more than happy to accept what Jeremy told them at that time, in relation to the state of the rifle on evening of 6th August 1985, how there appeared to be five additional bullets used in the shootings, and that the silencer was not fitted to the barrel of the gun at that time - this means that the police who were conducting this investigation (SC/688/85 - four murders and a suiicde) knew about the existence of a silencer by the time the polioce went along to see Jeremy at his cottage on the afternoon of 9th August 1985. I am satisfied that this was / is the case, since everything points to this being true. Police did have possession of a silencer (SBJ/1) on 9th August 1985, and possibly right up to the point / stage when the police met Ann eaton at the scene (WHF0 later that evening, and the silencer in question (SBJ/1) was probably returned into the gun cupboard by the police, who had the opportunity to do so, because at the time the keys to the farmhouse were handed over to Ann Eaton that evening, police showed Ann Eaton around the premises and explained to her everything that had happened in each room of the farmhouse, before they left her in control of the scene. Present at the hand over of the keys was DS "Stan" Jones, who could easily have replaced the silencerBJ/1) back in the gun cupboard in sight and knowlege of Ann eaton, who was there at the scene with him at that stage. If this is what took place, it would expalin why David boutyflour phoned up Anthony Pargeter after 10th August 1985, and told him that police hand habnded the silencer containing a long scratch, red paint engrained into its knurled end and what appeared to be blood on it? Of course, the presence of the elongated scratch mark, red paint and blood on the silencer as of 10th August 1985, if as we say the silencer (SBJ/1) placed back in the gun cupboard by the police took place on 9th August 1985, does not necessarily mean that when DS Jones originally found it at the scene (7th August 1985) that it had thiose featires upon it at that particukar time? For example, we have to bear in the mind that police also found and had possession of the metal end cap (Knut) which normally fitted onto the barrel of the rifle which had been found to have got some red paint ingrained into it (spoken about by DS Davidson to COLP in his 1991 interview), so as of the afternoon of 9th August 1985, when DCI Jones and DS Jones had gone along to speak to Jeremy at his cottage about the state of the rifle, additional five rounds of .22 ammunition and the silencer, police had in thir possession at that time / stage, a silencer and the metal riong that fitted onto the end of the guns barrel, one or other, or both had got red paint ingrained into, or onto them. So, they speak to Jeremy about the state of the rifle on evening of 6th August 1985, they speak to hiom about where five additional bullets could have originated from, and they speak to him about whether or not the silencer was fitted to the guns barrel before the shootings when Jeremy had possession of the gun, and they are sat isfied that the silencer had not been fitted to the rifle at the time of the shootings, so later that day when police (DS Jones present) go along to whf to hand the kkeys over to Ann Eaton, DS Jones replaces the sílencer (SBJ/1) back in the gun cupboard, possibly in sight of and knowlege of Ann Eaton herself. This was done because DCI Jones who was a very experienced Detective, knew that the metal ring with red paint on, and the silencer (possibly with paint on) could not have been fitted to the end of the guns barrel both at the same time. Lets develop the argument a bit further and say that police were aware of marks found on the aga by that (8th/9th August 1985) stage in keeping with what DS davidson told the COLP investigators in his 1991 police interview, that red paint had been found on the end of the guns barrel, and the guns barrel he was referring to was not a silencer. Lets be more specific, the end of the guns barrel had been found downstiars, and police knew about this on 8th August 1985, because DI Cook had taken a paint sample (RC/1) from the kitchen aga and handed it to DS Davidson at the scene...

I believe DS Davidsons account, and I reject anything that DI "Ron" Cook has said, or has to say on the matter, Cook was / is a crook. He did take a paint sample (RC/1) from the aga because red paint was found on the end of a guns barrel, not a silencer, but I accept that it just might be possible that by 9th August 1985, some red paint from the aga could have found its way onto the knurl of the silencer which was also in police possession by that time (found and seized by DS Jones on 7th August 1985). Cook took a paint sample (RC/1) from the aga on 8th August 1985, I am satisfied that this is true...

Later, when Cook revisted the scene on 14th August 1985, in the company of PI "Bob" Miller, and Ann Eaton, Cook had possession of the silencer found in the gun cupboard by the relatives on 10th August 1985, if we accept his account that once the silencer had been handed back to him on 13th August 1985, by Glynis Howrad at the lab' he kept the silencer in question in his possession at all times, and carried it around in his pocket at all times, so on 14th August 1985, when he went to whf with Miller and eaton, Cook had the silencer with him. How strange then, that Cook himself, nor either of the other two persons (Miller and Ann eaton) who were present at the scene with Cook on the 14th August 1985, make mention that Cook had the silencer there with him at whf when he went there on that occasion?

Instead, we are told that Cook takes a different paint sample (RWC/1) from the aga, in full view of Miller, and Eaton, without extracting the silencer from his pocket to make a comparison with the paint allegedly ingrained upon it, and the paint on the aga surround? More importantly when Ann eaton returns home she contacts her father (Robert Boutflour) and recounts to him what the police had been doing at whf that (14th August 1985) day, so that when Robert Boutflour comes to write up his diary extracts from the relevant occasion, he records that police visited whf in the company of his daughter Ann, and do somethging which they tell Ann not to say anything about, but if anyone asks her what the police were doing in the region of the aga on that/this occasion she is to tell them that police were simply taking measurements around the aga? Well, why all the secrecy, why the need for the police to get Ann Eaton to say such a thing to her father concerning what Cook and Miller were doing in the immediate region of the ktchen aga on that occasion? Cook says he took a paint sample (RWC/1) but Ann Eaton tells her father Robert Boutflour that police told her to say that they had been taking measurements around the aga - well, what were the police doing there on that occasion, taking a paint sample (RWC/1), or taking measurements? If they took measurements, where is the evidence that they did this? One thing is ceratin, however, and that is that if Cook did take a paint sample on 14th August 1985, from the aga, he could not have handed it to DS davidson 9exhibits officer) at the scene that particular day because DS Davidson was not there at the scene on that occasion, PI "Bob" Miller was...

If Cook and Miller were at the scene taking measurements around the aga on 14th August 1985, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for Cook to take the silencer out of his pocket, and offer it up to the aga surround in the vicinity where police were taking measurements, to see if any marks which were present there on that occasion could have been made by the silencer, and not the metal end cap (also in police possession by that stage) - all you would have to do is take the silencer out of Cooks pocket, turn the silencer in question so that the red paint on its knurl matched up to ther area under the mantlepiece where any scratch mark was present (at that stage) and work out the angle that the silencer would have had to be in to get paint onto the corresponding part of the silencer? I am convinced that this is what did occur, and that Cook did not take a paint sample (RWC/1) on that occasion, what he did was mark the aga with the silencer at that/this time...

I think Miller and Ann Eaton witnessed what Cook did with the silencer, and that she repeated to her father (Robert Boutflour) what police had done on that/this occasion,  I think Ann Eaton witnessed what Cook did - and that was why she told her father (Robert Boutflour) that police told her to say they had been taking measurements, and mention nothing about taking a paint sample, or using the silencer to gauge the marks there on the aga...
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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2012, 09:26:AM »
Both the metal ring (Knut), and a silencer were exhibits at the trial (2nd October 1986), Metal end cap being court exhibit 49, and silencer court exhibit 9, yet we hear nothing about who found court exhibit 49, where it was found, and when? Indeed we hear nothing at all about the siginificance if anyhting of the presence of the red paint found ingrained upon it? Now there has to be a reason why court exhibit 49 was a court exhibit, and there has to be a good reason why police and prosecution have suppressed any information about its inclusion as a court exhibit during the trial, and that reason is connected with the marks found on the underside of the kktchen mantlepiece which have been wrongly attributed to the silencer (court exhibit 9)...
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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2012, 09:29:AM »
Both the metal ring (Knut), and a silencer were exhibits at the trial (2nd October 1986), Metal end cap being court exhibit 49, and silencer court exhibit 9, yet we hear nothing about who found court exhibit 49, where it was found, and when? Indeed we hear nothing at all about the siginificance if anyhting of the presence of the red paint found ingrained upon it? Now there has to be a reason why court exhibit 49 was a court exhibit, and there has to be a good reason why police and prosecution have suppressed any information about its inclusion as a court exhibit during the trial, and that reason is connected with the marks found on the underside of the kktchen mantlepiece which have been wrongly attributed to the silencer (court exhibit 9)...

I can shed a little light on where and hiow it was found at the scene, since this took place on 8th August 1985, when police went back to the scene with a metal detector to try and find additional bullet cases, which had not by that time been discovered or accounted for? Whilst searching fior addditional bullet cases in the kitchen they found the metal end cap (court exhibit 49) with red paint ingrained upon it...
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Re: Peter Eaton witness statement, dated, 16th December 1985...
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2012, 09:33:AM »
On 9th August 1985, when DCI Jones, and DS Jones, went along to speak to Jeremy about the state of the gun, additional bullets and the silencer, police had already found the metal end cap that fits onto the end of the guns barrel, and they already had the paint sample (RC/1) that Cook took from ther aga on 8th August 1985, and handed to DS Davidson that same day - which led to DS Jones returning the silencer back to the gun cupboard later that day when the keys were handed over to Ann Eaton, and she was shown around the farmhouse by the police...

Come 10th August 1985 - this enabled David Boutflour to rediscover the silencer (previously SBJ/1) in the gun cupboard, which eventually ended up becoming DB/1 or DRB/1...
« Last Edit: October 27, 2012, 10:05:AM by mike tesko »
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