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« Reply #1575 on: April 19, 2013, 09:41:PM »
I love children but I'm not keen on animals in the home at all. 

Over the years I've found with my own children and others that regardless of all the toys, children love playing role-playing games ie customer/shopkeeper - parent/child - pupil/school teacher etc also I love asking them complex ?'s and they never say "I don't know" they always come up with the most amazing explanations!  Brilliant!  Hahaha a bit like some of the posters on this forum.

Ha! If you knew what was dangling from your eyelashes, you would be very careful when eating a chicken breast....they fall off you know  ;D ;D ;D ;D grubby little things!!!!  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #1576 on: April 19, 2013, 09:56:PM »
Ha! If you knew what was dangling from your eyelashes, you would be very careful when eating a chicken breast....they fall off you know  ;D ;D ;D ;D grubby little things!!!!  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #1577 on: April 19, 2013, 10:43:PM »
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« Reply #1578 on: April 20, 2013, 11:02:AM »
Patti

Please don't do this to me so close to bedtime...what do you mean?

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« Reply #1579 on: April 21, 2013, 11:55:AM »
I read Murder At White House Farm by Claire Powell earlier in the year over one day.  I've now read it again at a leisurely pace and found the following excerpt telling and sad:

Excerpt from above:

"June’s expectations of her daughter were fulfilled in one respect:  Sheila had matured into a graceful and very feminine young woman.  She was also attractive to and attracted to men.  There was nothing unusual in that, but June found it difficult to cope with what a modern teenager considered to be normal fun.  The years spent in boarding school with infrequent visits to White House Farm had turned Sheila into a stranger in Tolleshunt D’Arcy.  She could not adapt to a rural way of life, and likewise her own habits were totally alien to her parents.  June, born and bred in the country, expected her daughter to accede to the strict regime which she had established both for the farm and for her personal conduct.  June could be a hard task-master and the time spent at home, between boarding school and finishing school, became increasingly fraught.

There was tension on both sides, and June and Sheila no longer understood each other.  Her daughter’s day-dreaming exasperated June, and for her part Sheila chafed at her mother’s restrictions on how and with whom she spent her time.  Shortly after her seventeenth birthday, in July 1974, Sheila and June clashed head-on in an incident which was to scar both women for the rest of their lives.

During her solitary walks about the farm, Sheila met a good-looking young man helping out in the fields.  They began to see a lot of each other but Sheila was careful to keep the relationship secret, aware that her mother would never permit a liaison with a farm labourer.  Instead she would creep out of the farmhouse and slip unseen through the fields to a remote spot for a clandestine meeting.  Sheila was inexperienced with men of her own age and her physical development far outstripped her emotional understanding.  The pair became lovers quickly and recklessly.  For Sheila, completely swept off her feet by passion, this was the first outpouring of love and tenderness she had ever received.  Her guard was down and the pair became more audacious.  It was only a matter of time before June noticed a change in Sheila’s usually docile manner.  She began to watch the young woman closely.

Late one afternoon June set off in pursuit of Sheila, who once again had seized a quiet moment to steal away from the house to find her lover.  After a long, fruitless search, June decided to give up and take a short cut through the fields back to the house.  Two minutes later she almost stumbled over the pair as they lay – her daughter and a young farmhand making love in a ditch.

Even a sophisticated young woman would have found it difficult to talk her way out of that situation, and Sheila did not even try.  June was hysterical: the incident was a catastrophe almost beyond comprehension.  She hauled Sheila back to the farm, screaming all the way.  She was completely devastated by her daughter’s behaviour, nothing she had ever known could have ever prepared her for such a crippling blow.  Then, quite suddenly, she realised she knew the truth.  Turning to her terrified daughter, June calmly explained it over and over again: Sheila was the child of the Devil, she was the Devil’s child on earth, spreading evil around her.  The words sank deep into Sheila, who was almost out of her mind with fear and confusion.

It was a phrase that Sheila would never forget and which would become the root of her latent paranoia.  She did not have the ability to defend herself against her mother’s frenzied outburst.  Neither woman had any real idea about normal human desires and expectations: June thought Sheila’s sexual development was ungodly, the work of the Devil; Sheila disturbed by the power of her newly awakened sexuality, guiltily acknowledged that her behaviour was the result of an evil mind.  Nevill was informed of the episode and reprimanded Sheila but could do little to alleviate the incredible ferocity of his wife’s reaction.  The incident was kept within the family, and so there was no confidant to reassure Sheila that her actions were not evil but merely ill advised.

June Bamber had already suffered one nervous break-down and would within a few years succumb to another.  Unlike most parents who catch their teenage children petting on sofas or in bus shelters, June was not able to take the incident in her stride and content herself with a stern reprimand.  She unwittingly planted a seed of foreboding in her daughter that in time would grow too great for Sheila to conquer.  The teenager was dangerously impressionable and did not possess the ability to vanquish superstition with logic.  Her self-esteem was tenuous and had been so ever since her childhood, when she had been coldly informed of her adoption.  The sense of alienation had inevitably increased when she was dispatched to boarding school and now she was more than ever an outcast in her surrogate home.

Sheila would never shake off the repercussions of that brief affair, but there was yet another, more immediate consequence to be dealt with.  Sheila was pregnant, and in June’s eyes her disgrace was complete.  Marriage was completely out of the question, and Sheila was clearly ill equipped to be a mother even with support of her parents.  After much heart-searching Nevill and June decided there could be only one solution.  Sheila did not object – she simply wanted to please her parents after causing them so much pain.  The pregnancy was terminated".




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« Reply #1580 on: April 21, 2013, 12:18:PM »
There is no shock and awe to this paragraph in Sheilas' life. It must have happened in many a household of both adopted and biological siblings. It by no means paints a darker picture of adoptees at all,,just an inexperienced mother,of which there are many,whose experience doesn't stretch to situations such as what happened in Junes' case,so to deal with such a problem is up to the individual ( parent ) as best they can,,and to my mind,the final solution was the right one.

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« Reply #1581 on: April 21, 2013, 12:48:PM »
There is no shock and awe to this paragraph in Sheilas' life. It must have happened in many a household of both adopted and biological siblings. It by no means paints a darker picture of adoptees at all,,just an inexperienced mother,of which there are many,whose experience doesn't stretch to situations such as what happened in Junes' case,so to deal with such a problem is up to the individual ( parent ) as best they can,,and to my mind,the final solution was the right one.

I agree the final solution was the right one.

Not sure the author or the poster were suggesting that it had anything much to do with being adopted. 

I'm sure the above, or similar, happens in many households but most don't end up discussing the theme with a consultant psychiatrist:

"During her treatment I found that Sheila had bizarre delusions about possession by the devil"...

"She said she felt as it she was caught up in a "coven of evil".  These feelings appeared to be involved with her relationship with her adoptive mother, and her standards of good and evil".

Here's the link to Dr F's wit stat confirming the above:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1199.0;attach=6191
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« Reply #1582 on: April 21, 2013, 01:01:PM »
Hi All :)

You're not born a schizophrenic nor a psychopath in my opinion, but what happens at a vulnerable age has an effect on who you become.  I don't know where Claire Powell got her information from, but Colin tells a similar story in his book.

If you look at the backgrounds on both Jeremy and Sheila it must have been more difficult for Sheila being female and having the risk of pregnancy.  Poor girl had an awful time coming to grips with her abortions and feared this would stop her having children.  What her mother told her about being a devil's child stuck in her mind that much is true, for Sheila would make comments regarding that not only to Colin but to her doctors.

I get the feeling that Sheila needed love and needed to be be hugged and touched. Both Sheila and Jeremy were never allowed birthday party's at home nor did they mix with villagers.  They were sent away to school having been told they were adopted and this could not have been easy for either of them.  Sheila met Colin she fell in love and I have no doubt that Collin loved her....but this is where it all started to go wrong.  Sheila got pregnant again she married Colin in Chelmsford, they went to live in London.  Jeremy traveled and when he came back he went to work away from the farm, but then decided to come back home.  The rest we know and I am rambling on....What I am trying to say is that Jeremy saw his family everyday, he worked long hours, he was paid well, had money in the bank and wanted for nothing. Sheila on the other hand did...Colin was struggling to hold a job down. June took food for them and bought them a flat....June was very much in control of her two children...money and provisions were keeping both of the afloat and tied to their mother.

To be fair to June...My mother would have not liked it if she caught me with a farmhand in a ditch...Its not the sort of thing a mother would be happy about.....and not the sort of thing a parents would want villagers to know about. Sheila getting pregnant must have devastated the family and put them in shame...I know today it is more acceptable....we seem to forget that this was in the late 70's  :(

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« Reply #1583 on: April 21, 2013, 01:06:PM »
I should have said I agree unplanned pregnancies/terminations happen with many teenagers/households but as far as I am aware most mothers: birth, adoptive, step or whatever do not tell their daughter that she is the Devil's child spreading evil on earth.  That imo is emotional/mental/psychological abuse.  I agree totally with the author's sentiments on the matter. 

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« Reply #1584 on: April 21, 2013, 01:09:PM »
I will argue until the cows come home,,that it has nothing whatsoever to do with adoption. I can bet that had Sheila been their biological child,,she'd have still kicked off once she was in her teens. Some girls are like this,,and nobody but nobody can do a thing about it,,hoping one day that " they'll grow out of it ",but sadly,a lot continue on a downward spiral no matter how much support they get from the different authorities.
This " adoption " issue has been ingrained in peoples' minds,,and it's wrong. Sometimes it's to do with parenting,,but a lot of the time,it isn't,,and nobody can get into the mind of a teenager whether adopted or not.
I'd say it was down to the child on how the adoption issue is put over,once it's of the understanding that the child has been adopted. If they wish to continue a " saga " about this,then it's the child who chooses to carry that " chip " and not the parents. It's mainly those who want to make a big issue of it. It's up to a child to accept that they've been chosen out of love and to cherish that gift by nurturing as if it were your own,,and not to ever present the fact as a stigma for the rest of their lives.
Nor should it ever be a reminder in a family that some children are " different ",because they're not.

Adoption shouldn't ever come into the equation amongst family members or relatives. I'm so dead against the use of the word,never mind about the children involved.
Like it or not,,they are members of that family and remain so,,without any qualms whatsoever. They are YOUR children and should be treated as such. I feel very strongly about the subject as you can see.

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« Reply #1585 on: April 21, 2013, 01:10:PM »
They were June and Nevilles' children-------------------------end of.

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« Reply #1586 on: April 21, 2013, 01:16:PM »
I read Murder At White House Farm by Claire Powell earlier in the year over one day.  I've now read it again at a leisurely pace and found the following excerpt telling and sad:

Excerpt from above:

"June’s expectations of her daughter were fulfilled in one respect:  Sheila had matured into a graceful and very feminine young woman.  She was also attractive to and attracted to men.  There was nothing unusual in that, but June found it difficult to cope with what a modern teenager considered to be normal fun.  The years spent in boarding school with infrequent visits to White House Farm had turned Sheila into a stranger in Tolleshunt D’Arcy.  She could not adapt to a rural way of life, and likewise her own habits were totally alien to her parents.  June, born and bred in the country, expected her daughter to accede to the strict regime which she had established both for the farm and for her personal conduct.  June could be a hard task-master and the time spent at home, between boarding school and finishing school, became increasingly fraught.

There was tension on both sides, and June and Sheila no longer understood each other.  Her daughter’s day-dreaming exasperated June, and for her part Sheila chafed at her mother’s restrictions on how and with whom she spent her time.  Shortly after her seventeenth birthday, in July 1974, Sheila and June clashed head-on in an incident which was to scar both women for the rest of their lives.

During her solitary walks about the farm, Sheila met a good-looking young man helping out in the fields.  They began to see a lot of each other but Sheila was careful to keep the relationship secret, aware that her mother would never permit a liaison with a farm labourer.  Instead she would creep out of the farmhouse and slip unseen through the fields to a remote spot for a clandestine meeting.  Sheila was inexperienced with men of her own age and her physical development far outstripped her emotional understanding.  The pair became lovers quickly and recklessly.  For Sheila, completely swept off her feet by passion, this was the first outpouring of love and tenderness she had ever received.  Her guard was down and the pair became more audacious.  It was only a matter of time before June noticed a change in Sheila’s usually docile manner.  She began to watch the young woman closely.

Late one afternoon June set off in pursuit of Sheila, who once again had seized a quiet moment to steal away from the house to find her lover.  After a long, fruitless search, June decided to give up and take a short cut through the fields back to the house.  Two minutes later she almost stumbled over the pair as they lay – her daughter and a young farmhand making love in a ditch.

Even a sophisticated young woman would have found it difficult to talk her way out of that situation, and Sheila did not even try.  June was hysterical: the incident was a catastrophe almost beyond comprehension.  She hauled Sheila back to the farm, screaming all the way.  She was completely devastated by her daughter’s behaviour, nothing she had ever known could have ever prepared her for such a crippling blow.  Then, quite suddenly, she realised she knew the truth.  Turning to her terrified daughter, June calmly explained it over and over again: Sheila was the child of the Devil, she was the Devil’s child on earth, spreading evil around her.  The words sank deep into Sheila, who was almost out of her mind with fear and confusion.

It was a phrase that Sheila would never forget and which would become the root of her latent paranoia.  She did not have the ability to defend herself against her mother’s frenzied outburst.  Neither woman had any real idea about normal human desires and expectations: June thought Sheila’s sexual development was ungodly, the work of the Devil; Sheila disturbed by the power of her newly awakened sexuality, guiltily acknowledged that her behaviour was the result of an evil mind.  Nevill was informed of the episode and reprimanded Sheila but could do little to alleviate the incredible ferocity of his wife’s reaction.  The incident was kept within the family, and so there was no confidant to reassure Sheila that her actions were not evil but merely ill advised.

June Bamber had already suffered one nervous break-down and would within a few years succumb to another.  Unlike most parents who catch their teenage children petting on sofas or in bus shelters, June was not able to take the incident in her stride and content herself with a stern reprimand.  She unwittingly planted a seed of foreboding in her daughter that in time would grow too great for Sheila to conquer.  The teenager was dangerously impressionable and did not possess the ability to vanquish superstition with logic.  Her self-esteem was tenuous and had been so ever since her childhood, when she had been coldly informed of her adoption.  The sense of alienation had inevitably increased when she was dispatched to boarding school and now she was more than ever an outcast in her surrogate home.

Sheila would never shake off the repercussions of that brief affair, but there was yet another, more immediate consequence to be dealt with.  Sheila was pregnant, and in June’s eyes her disgrace was complete.  Marriage was completely out of the question, and Sheila was clearly ill equipped to be a mother even with support of her parents.  After much heart-searching Nevill and June decided there could be only one solution.  Sheila did not object – she simply wanted to please her parents after causing them so much pain.  The pregnancy was terminated".
Hi NN, I must say that event was written with enormous compassion by Claire Powell.  Are we sure events happened in this way? 
If it is a true re-enactment it points very clearly to June's severe inability to cope and is certainly explains how 'the devil's child' sank so deeply into Sheila's psychie.  It was an event guaranteed to alienate and damage any 17 year old girl but for Sheila with her sensitive and delicate nature, maybe already struggling to cope it must have been a complete disaster setting in motion dreadful feelings of guilt and dread.  What a fiasco........thanks for that NN :)

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« Reply #1587 on: April 21, 2013, 01:20:PM »
They were June and Nevilles' children-------------------------end of.

Lookout I would love to agree with you, but a part of me is wanting to say...yes they were, but! Its a touchy subject.  Sheila made the effort to find out who her real parents were and had recently met her natural mother. She has also confided in AE about this and did not want June to know about it all.  What we don't know is how June would have reacted about Sheila meeting her natural mother.  I mean why did Sheila feel the need to keep this from June? There must have been a reason, did Sheila keep this from her, so not to hurt her, or was she fearful of a reaction? We don't know! but, one thing is for certain and that is that June didn't know, or was she told on the 6th August!  :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #1588 on: April 21, 2013, 01:24:PM »
Lookout I would love to agree with you, but a part of me is wanting to say...yes they were, but! Its a touchy subject.  Sheila made the effort to find out who her real parents were and had recently met her natural mother. She has also confided in AE about this and did not want June to know about it all.  What we don't know is how June would have reacted about Sheila meeting her natural mother.  I mean why did Sheila feel the need to keep this from June? There must have been a reason, did Sheila keep this from her, so not to hurt her, or was she fearful of a reaction? We don't know! but, one thing is for certain and that is that June didn't know, or was she told on the 6th August!  :) :) :) :)



Patti,,it was Sheilas' fault that she wanted to know of her " real " parents.If she couldn't accept the ones in-situ,,June and Neville,,then it was her with the problem,,not them.

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« Reply #1589 on: April 21, 2013, 01:26:PM »
Hi NN, I must say that event was written with enormous compassion by Claire Powell.  Are we sure events happened in this way? 
If it is a true re-enactment it points very clearly to June's severe inability to cope and is certainly explains how 'the devil's child' sank so deeply into Sheila's psychie.  It was an event guaranteed to alienate and damage any 17 year old girl but for Sheila with her sensitive and delicate nature, maybe already struggling to cope it must have been a complete disaster setting in motion dreadful feelings of guilt and dread.  What a fiasco........thanks for that NN :)

Hi Maggie

As we know we can't accept these books as the whole truth and nothing but the truth but there are themes that run across all three:  Caffell, Powell and Wilkes, and the above incident is one such theme so I'm happy to accept the general theme which is also supported by Dr F's wit stat.