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« Reply #1350 on: August 12, 2012, 02:37:PM »
Patti  you are one special lady :) what have you done with poor Bridget today. ;)

I have put her in a blackberry pie...hahahahahah So she is in the oven at moderate temperature..Right I am off to see to dinner...she will have my guts for garters, but she is in a good mood, so maybe she will just give me a ticking off....Hope you are OK.... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #1351 on: August 12, 2012, 02:37:PM »
Patti not seen lookout since yesterday evening more to the point what have you done with Bridget :)

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« Reply #1352 on: August 12, 2012, 02:57:PM »
I have put her in a blackberry pie...hahahahahah So she is in the oven at moderate temperature..Right I am off to see to dinner...she will have my guts for garters, but she is in a good mood, so maybe she will just give me a ticking off....Hope you are OK.... :) :) :) :)

Ahem... I am allergic to pie.
....just cos I eat worms...

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« Reply #1353 on: August 12, 2012, 03:00:PM »
Hi Bridget  especially Bramble Pie :)

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« Reply #1354 on: August 12, 2012, 03:01:PM »
Hi Bridget  especially Bramble Pie :)

Especially that. They are mainly in the wheelie bin now.
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« Reply #1355 on: August 17, 2012, 11:42:AM »
I have just finished reading Roger Wilkes’s book Blood Relations,the title expressing a certain ambiguity and irony contrasting as it does the adopted Jeremy and Sheila where the consanguinity was absent with the steadfastness of the prosecution’s case represented by the centuries- old farming bloodline of the Eaton’s and the Boutflour’s. The book comprises fifty chapters in all,detailing objectively this symbiotic relationship,the evidence,the trial and Jeremy’s subsequent and failed appeals.

The author does say at various stages that Jeremy is the only person who knows the truth as to what happened that morning of Wednesday August 7 1985,yet had he cooperated with this author in a way which he had previously with others failed singularly to do,in the hope that the book would depict a portrait of his innocence then Jeremy upon commencing reading would have been bitterly disappointed.

From the very beginning we get the feeling that Jeremy was the Prodigal Son,the parallel with the Biblical story in the Gospels of the man who had returned home after  travelling widely and spending his fortune lavishly in the process and throwing himself upon the mercy of his father,yet this is where the story diverges as it becomes clear that both Ralph(Nevill) and June were not soft touches where finance was concerned,typical of their relatives and forbears who had thus kept the money in the family from one generation to the next. Jeremy had oh so obviously read his father’s will whereupon he would inherit the farm if the trustees thought that he had earned it,which is one explanation for Jeremy ostensibly settling down to the agricultural existence so evidently alien to him in the last year of his parents’ life.

The book is quite obsessed with finance,and this blackens Jeremy at the expense of Sheila,as of course this was the Prosecution’s case for the motive of gunning down an entire family. We are again told of Nevill’s temporary financial embarrassment as his legacy of Clifton Hall from his mother needed work in which to convert it into flats,and the subsequent bestowal of half of this to his sister Diana’s children Jackie and Anthony,another legacy which Jeremy would undoubtedly have been aware of as he snooped around his father’s den and safe. This is the reason for Nevill asking secretary Barbara Wilson to change the location of the safe key,the importance of that room and the authority emanating from it underlined in Jeremy’s consciousness after the murders when he instructed Barbara to destroy all documents, Jeremy’s position of feet up on the desk as he barked orders from the swivel chair. Jeremy would also have seen the bills for Sheila’s private medical treatment totalling £15,000,along with older school fees from Gresham’s which Nevill liked to keep,further reinforcing in Jeremy’s mind the trick and conspiracy his parents had perpetrated by packing him off to Gresham’s at eight years of age. Thinking of the future his parents were sure to want to do the same with Nicholas and Daniel,which would take another slice off his inheritance. His bitterness manifested itself openly in a comment to Doris Foalkes,wife of Len an employee,to whom he declared “I’m not sharing any of my money with Sheila”. This is confirmed when he rejects Robert Boutflour’s suggestion of giving Sheila shares in the caravan park.

Jeremy was quite blunt about his feelings towards his sister on that August morning. PC Myall,considering that they may be facing a siege at White House Farm as he had possibly dealt with in past scenarios enquired: “Who’s she more likely to be annoyed at seeing,you or us” to which Jeremy replied: “Both of us.I don’t get on with her at all. I don’t like her and she doesn’t like me.” It is Jeremy,at this stage the young,respectable public schoolboy who is calling the shots,and who successfully plants into the minds of the attending policemen the idea that Sheila had run amok inside the house with a loaded gun that he himself had left loaded on the settle only a few hours before. It is Jeremy who used the pretext of shooting foxes the night before,yet who had not used the telescopic sights,nor could not clearly remember whether he had discharged the rifle,possibly thinking about the wiping of the rifle after the glove came off in the struggle with Nevill,necessitating him to remove all traces of him using that weapon. None of Sheila’s fingerprints were found on the gun and one has to ask why did Sheila need to wipe the gun at all,thereby confirming Jeremy’s jitters about this evidence which was evidently occupying his thoughts that morning.

Yet Jeremy was prepared for the onslaught he was about to face;prepared for the endless Police questioning redolent of that stiff,formal,artificial atmosphere he had endured for nine years as a boarder at Gresham’s. His answers are careful,guarded and taciturn,where an innocent man would want to complete a full picture of his life and family to give credence to what he was saying. In reply to the known fact that he spent ten minutes in the fields with Sheila and the twins on the Tuesday and what did they talk about his reply is a resolute “No comment” as possibly his subconscious begins to realize the enormity of what he has done. This is contrasted by Julie Mugford’s words in court which were heartfelt,unrehearsed and unwavering. It’s not just the lies he told in his statements to Police,the telephone call from Nevill,his claim to Colin he had driven quickly to the farm,his rapport with his father when Ann Eaton knew they had had a recent argument over money,but Jeremy’s hardheartedness after the crimes,his refusal to acknowledge any regret over leaving a loaded rifle out and his lies that it would have not fitted into the gun cupboard with the silencer and sights attached,his desire to have the dog put down,his avoidance of the relatives at every turn in complete contrast to his demeanour over the whole of that last year,his precipitance in considering the monetary consequences of the crimes coupled with his lavish spending after the murders.

In this context it would not seem shocking that Jeremy blamed the murders on his mentally unstable sister. We have Freddi Emani’s evidence which vouches for her instability,yet still even in psychosis she beats her own hands against the wall and never harms others. We have the former boyfriend’s evidence to DC Barlow that Sheila was uncoordinated those last days,so much so that she couldn’t pour a drink without having to use both hands to steady the glass. So much for the theory that Sheila discharged a gun and reloaded twice. We have the two shot theory with half Sheila’s jaw blown off by the first shot, when Dr. Vanezis explains that it is unlikely she could move up and downstairs as a result of it. We have Dr. Herbert MacDonell’s evidence years later,the Isaac Newton of ballistics and blood spatter stating that Sheila was murdered,promoting the ludicrous riposte that Sheila must then have been shot by Police.

Of course the Jeremy supporters remain loyal to him as the years pass,though it is striking that the people who knew him best have all deserted him: his former friends at the Frog and Beans in Colchester,Suzette Ford who had a relationship with him lasting three years yet who went back to her husband, and Julie Mugford,who experienced the real delayed grief as she witnessed the impact of the crime on Colin and the immediate relatives. It was Jeremy who was a different person to the man she fell in love with,Jeremy who had changed so markedly after the murders,as the interminable mental efforts and strains in attuning himself to his adoptive family’s ways coupled with the hard physical labour which was expected of him finally took their toll and snapped something in him,culminating in the cataclysmic events of midweek,yet this had only unleashed a newer and even more unattractive personage,which far from unshackling him from his yoke gave vent to an even more unattractive side of Jeremy,the Jeremy who having committed five murders yearned for respect and attention as he scoured the nation’s newspapers,whilst continuing the pathological lies at every turn,and it is this Jeremy,rejected by his blood relations, that Julie finally saw,as she turned her back and determined on redress.
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« Reply #1356 on: August 18, 2012, 09:12:PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5ndRhEzf8

I remember Jackanory. Those were the days when children's programmes were actually quite educational,when you could speak to children and they would answer you in sentences,not stare vacantly and ask "Wot"? as if nothing were expected of them at all. My mother who taught at Primary level in the 1950s told me that standards were high;every child in the class could read,write and add up. Of course Enid Blyton had her critics,but it got children reading,before some modern parents turn to the DVD recorder as a babysitter and are too worn out holding down two jobs,in the enervating effort to keep up with the Jones'.

It is such a shame that those often halcyon days have disappeared forever,typified by the Thatcherite greed and something for nothing mentality which pervaded Jeremy Bamber and his ilk,where to know what car a man drove was more important for the modern girl than what was in his head. Families were devastated as unemployment rose and communities were destroyed. The drug culture ravaged youth as all it wanted to do was forget at weekends what a savage jungle society had become,and maybe Jeremy's cocaine addiction led to the deaths of three generations of the same family because of some insane belief that he was doing everyone a favour.

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« Reply #1357 on: August 18, 2012, 09:18:PM »
I remember Jackanory. Those were the days when children's programmes were actually quite educational,when you could speak to children and they would answer you in sentences,not stare vacantly and ask "Wot"? as if nothing were expected of them at all. My mother who taught at Primary level in the 1950s told me that standards were high;every child in the class could read,write and add up. Of course Enid Blyton had her critics,but it got children reading,before some modern parents turn to the DVD recorder as a babysitter and are too worn out holding down two jobs,in the enervating effort to keep up with the Jones'.

It is such a shame that those often halcyon days have disappeared forever,typified by the Thatcherite greed and something for nothing mentality which pervaded Jeremy Bamber and his ilk,where to know what car a man drove was more important for the modern girl than what was in his head. Families were devastated as unemployment rose and communities were destroyed. The drug culture ravaged youth as all it wanted to do was forget at weekends what a savage jungle society had become,and maybe Jeremy's cocaine addiction led to the deaths of three generations of the same family because of some insane belief that he was doing everyone a favour.

I agree with your comment on Thacherite greed - however, now Jeremy is an addict?  :)


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« Reply #1358 on: August 19, 2012, 07:16:AM »
I remember Jackanory. Those were the days when children's programmes were actually quite educational,when you could speak to children and they would answer you in sentences,not stare vacantly and ask "Wot"? as if nothing were expected of them at all. My mother who taught at Primary level in the 1950s told me that standards were high;every child in the class could read,write and add up. Of course Enid Blyton had her critics,but it got children reading,before some modern parents turn to the DVD recorder as a babysitter and are too worn out holding down two jobs,in the enervating effort to keep up with the Jones'.

It is such a shame that those often halcyon days have disappeared forever,typified by the Thatcherite greed and something for nothing mentality which pervaded Jeremy Bamber and his ilk,where to know what car a man drove was more important for the modern girl than what was in his head. Families were devastated as unemployment rose and communities were destroyed. The drug culture ravaged youth as all it wanted to do was forget at weekends what a savage jungle society had become,and maybe Jeremy's cocaine addiction led to the deaths of three generations of the same family because of some insane belief that he was doing everyone a favour.


Steve, this is an example of what I was trying to point out yesterday. IMO, this has to be, far and away, the best thing you have written. Far from continually wishing to denigrate everything you write I felt really excited by the obvious improvement.............but you had to spoil it, didn't you!!! Along with the conviction you appear to have that you know more of Jeremy's psyche than does God, suddenly he's a cocaine addict. Until that moment, all you said regarding Thatcherite Britain and its' values was spot on, socialogically accurate. What you said of Jeremy wasn't and in case you think I'm taking sides, I would have challenged you on it had you said it of Sheila even though I feel she would have had a problem balancing recreational drugs with maintainance drugs.

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« Reply #1359 on: August 19, 2012, 09:18:AM »

Steve, this is an example of what I was trying to point out yesterday. IMO, this has to be, far and away, the best thing you have written. Far from continually wishing to denigrate everything you write I felt really excited by the obvious improvement.............but you had to spoil it, didn't you!!! Along with the conviction you appear to have that you know more of Jeremy's psyche than does God, suddenly he's a cocaine addict. Until that moment, all you said regarding Thatcherite Britain and its' values was spot on, socialogically accurate. What you said of Jeremy wasn't and in case you think I'm taking sides, I would have challenged you on it had you said it of Sheila even though I feel she would have had a problem balancing recreational drugs with maintainance drugs.

Well thanks for the compliments april1. I will withdraw that Jeremy was a cocaine addict as I don't want to be sued,it's just that Julie confirmed in Roger Wilkes' book that Jeremy smoked a lot more than she did,and it seemed to be a part of his life which always seemed to be mentioned every time he was socializing among friends.

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« Reply #1360 on: August 20, 2012, 11:56:PM »
Hi Steve_uk

Given your statement above I'm surprised JB ever pulled with his Vauxhall Astra and BL Mini before that.  Oh I forgot isn't that why he slayed his entire adoptive family so he could inherit the estate and purchase a Porsche kit car?  My benchmark for a date was a Reliant Scimitar or Triumph Stag if I was in the mood for something a little older.  I liked to keep it British despite the appalling quality. 

To be honest I never really thought about what was in his head.  I was more interested in what was in his trousers.  Believe me size counts or it does in my books.  I would home in to check whether it was tucked in left or right so as to relieve him of it in the shortest possible time, his wallet that is  ;) ;D
jb had a wallett  how it became full is worth a mention, he actually worked for it , not spending his time as a fat slob on benefits downing cans of beer and endless home delivery of pizza with extra toppings watching vhs pre recorded video films and the stations of the goggle box .

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« Reply #1361 on: August 21, 2012, 06:06:PM »
Well thanks for the compliments april1. I will withdraw that Jeremy was a cocaine addict as I don't want to be sued,it's just that Julie confirmed in Roger Wilkes' book that Jeremy smoked a lot more than she did,and it seemed to be a part of his life which always seemed to be mentioned every time he was socializing among friends.

Smoking cocaine? that must be 'crack'

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« Reply #1362 on: August 21, 2012, 10:07:PM »
Hi Steve_uk

Given your statement above I'm surprised JB ever pulled with his Vauxhall Astra and BL Mini before that.  Oh I forgot isn't that why he slayed his entire adoptive family so he could inherit the estate and purchase a Porsche kit car?  My benchmark for a date was a Reliant Scimitar or Triumph Stag if I was in the mood for something a little older.  I liked to keep it British despite the appalling quality. 

To be honest I never really thought about what was in his head.  I was more interested in what was in his trousers.  Believe me size counts or it does in my books.  I would home in to check whether it was tucked in left or right so as to relieve him of it in the shortest possible time, his wallet that is  ;) ;D

Once again you totally misread the human psyche and I am sick of quoting the seven or eight people whose anecdotal evidence is damning to the Jeremy supporters' cause. The glossy brochures on the coffee table at Goldhanger in the days after the murders were certainly not kit cars,but then I'm past caring,and the aphorism "if ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise" springs to mind.

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« Reply #1363 on: August 21, 2012, 10:12:PM »
Once again you totally misread the human psyche and I am sick of quoting the seven or eight people whose anecdotal evidence is damning to the Jeremy supporters' cause. The glossy brochures on the coffee table at Goldhanger in the days after the murders were certainly not kit cars,but then I'm past caring,and the aphorism "if ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise" springs to mind.
  Hi Steve, please could you tell us how you know about the glossy brochures on the coffee table at Jeremy's cottage in Goldhanger?  I am really curious, do you have any first hand knowledge of this or is this heresay? Thanks

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« Reply #1364 on: August 21, 2012, 10:18:PM »
  Hi Steve, please could you tell us how you know about the glossy brochures on the coffee table at Jeremy's cottage in Goldhanger?  I am really curious, do you have any first hand knowledge of this or is this heresay? Thanks

Whilst some of you are not reading the four books on the case because you might be influenced by one particular author's point of view,others like myself are trawling through them in an attempt to ascertain facts,lies and hearsay and feel empowered enough to make up our own minds as to whom one chooses to believe or not.
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