Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[lebaleb]

Further evidence that Sheila was in a catatonic state [indicator of a psychotic episode] is in CC's statement. He says that Sheila didn't say a word him or the children on the trip from London to WHF and that she appeared very vacant while they were at the farm. Corroborated by Jeremy saying Sheila 'just sat there'.

[Jane]

Further evidence that Sheila was in a catatonic state [indicator of a psychotic episode] is in CC's statement. He says that Sheila didn't say a word him or the children on the trip from London to WHF and that she appeared very vacant while they were at the farm. Corroborated by Jeremy saying Sheila 'just sat there'.

........and didn't PB say that during a phonecall she just answered "Yes" or "No."

[lebaleb]

........and didn't PB say that during a phonecall she just answered "Yes" or "No."

I just read that her last dose of Halperol was on the 11th of July and it was HALF of the regular dose!

[Roch]

........and didn't PB say that during a phonecall she just answered "Yes" or "No."

As was pointed out yesterday by another member, Jeremy bamber portrayed his sister as seemingly unattentive, during the dinner conversation that he alleged had took place.  So, does Jeremy's portrayal of Sheila match the portrayal of Sheila during the phone call, as alleged by a prosecution witness? 

He does not paint Sheila as a 'raving lunatic' on the night of the killings.   He paints her as being listless and disinterested.  He does not blame Sheila for the killings in the imediate aftermath.  He blames the raid team.  It was never envisaged by him that she would kill anyone.  That realisation came after the event. 

[ajross]

Further evidence that Sheila was in a catatonic state [indicator of a psychotic episode] is in CC's statement. He says that Sheila didn't say a word him or the children on the trip from London to WHF and that she appeared very vacant while they were at the farm. Corroborated by Jeremy saying Sheila 'just sat there'.

He also says in his book that she was very worried and apprehensive about going there and he had promised to speak to June and Ralph on her behalf which he never did, could she not just have been waiting for him to say something given that she was scared to herself? Could the silence on teh way there not have been theses nerves? Could she also have been a little hungover or tired from the party the night before?

[Jane]

I just read that her last dose of Halperol was on the 11th of July and it was HALF of the regular dose!

Lebaleb, I've been screaming about the decision to HALVE her medication since I first read about it. It was taken, NOT by her consultant, NOT by her regular GP, who had advised a reduction from 200mg to 150mg. The decision to FURTHER reduce it to 100mg was taken by a locum who had never previously seen Sheila and therefore knew only of her medical background that which she may have read from her notes. She clearly did NOT know that Sheila had been a difficult patient who failed to keep appointment or she would never have halved an anti psychotic without knowing the patient could be regularly monitored.

It also interests me that having taken the decision to halve the meds, something, incidentally, NOT recommended by the consultant, who recommended 150mg, the locum informed Sheila's regular GP, who THEN informed the consultant. These things don't happen overnight NOW, let alone in 1985, so who knows how long it would have taken for that letter to be received and read by the consultant.

Had I a schizophrenic relative I would not have felt happy with a decision to so dramatic a reduction in medication and would have demanded answers. The tragic irony is that there was nobody left to ask. Or perhaps that should be, nobody who wanted to know what the answer might be because they wanted Jeremy to be guilty.

[lebaleb]

I do have a schitzophrenic relative and I know the balance of his medication is critical to his well being. The Doctor who administered the reduced dose had only been at the surgery two days.

[Roch]

Are forum members able to give a marks out of ten for each book they have read on the case?

Also, has anyone had a chance to read through all of this:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html

If anyone has, could they please provide a review. 

[ajross]

Are forum members able to give a marks out of ten for each book they have read on the case?

Also, has anyone had a chance to read through all of this:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html

If anyone has, could they please provide a review.

I will no doubt read it, I'm half way through the CC book and have Lomax to read first though

[mertol22]

I will no doubt read it, I'm half way through the CC book and have Lomax to read first though

There is something written in Colins Book ajross and the first time i missed it, as i said to patti at the time before she aquired the book i will re read some parts and then i saw something, its down to readers thought i guess,lets see if you can find it.

[Patti]

Not sure if this will work but this is not Colin's book, but a murder and social history book, that contains the Bamber case.....It's a fascinating read...even though it is only a snippet view...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gdPddAtm_0YC&pg=PA121&dq=colin+caffell&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kGb4T77EEMqu8APH4420Bw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=colin%20caffell&f=false

[Patti]

This is another book by Betty Shrine the psychic who helped Colin, these are her words that convinced Colin to except his faith in psyche....

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=df8DFyoWfPkC&pg=PT49&dq=colin+caffell&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kGb4T77EEMqu8APH4420Bw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=colin%20caffell&f=false

[lebaleb]

It's in PB's statement that June had been trying to persuade Sheila to take a 'holiday' in a home in Bornemouth. One can imagine what Sheila thought was going on.

[Jane]

Hi Rochford

I skimmed the Andrew Hunter book draft when Mike first posted it.  I picked up one or two new things but overall it seemed to be some sort of summary of all the stuff we discuss on the forum.  However, I'm sure the general public would have found it interesting  . I think Scott's book in hardback was the last to be published in 2008?   Was there an earlier paperback version?

Had Andrew have had the book published I think it would have reached a wide audience, ie the ruling elite, in that here was a right wing tory mp highlighting potentially the country's biggest ever moj 

Nothing in there about my pet areas ie June's mental illness 1959 potentially giving rise to an attachment disorder in Sheila, adoption psychology within adoptive families and Sheila's reunion with her birth mother only weeks before the murders  .  I don't understand why these areas are so neglected when just about everthing and the kitchen sink is chucked at it. The only famous British pscyhologist I can think of is John Bowlby the others are all European or American.  Maybe this has some bearing and the fact that Britain pre WHF tragedy was a bit behind the times in terms of pscyhology.  Perhaps stems from the Victorian era stiff upper lip.  I'm pretty certain that had the tragedy have occurred in the US far more emphasis would have been placed on the pscyhological aspects.

Rochford you're my favourite boy poster  .  10/10 for you but don't know about the books.

Hi, Egap. As is to be expected, I concur with all you say, including that part about Roch!!! I seem to recall that Bowlby's attachment theory, which has proved to be a wonderful tool, was first used to encourage working mothers back into the home to enable the men returning from the war to find work. It seems that women were reluctant to relinquish their independence, so coercion was applied via faulty contraception (tiny holes in, I believe, every tenth? sheath) and Bowlby's now famous work.

[Jane]

It's in PB's statement that June had been trying to persuade Sheila to take a 'holiday' in a home in Bornemouth. One can imagine what Sheila thought was going on.

I take it we're talking convalescent home, probably funded by the Church, for the mentally fragile, and where better than Eastbourne, Gods own waiting room, with nothing to stimulate the senses. The ideal place for a young, fashionable woman. NOT.