Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[mertol22]

Mertol I think Colin and Jeremy got on like brothers, before all this mess. It's sad in a way. I can understand Colin, but I also understand Jeremy...That man needs to be free, he has served more than his allocated time...it is a grave injustice in its self to keep him locked up....when you see other murderers out in less than 10 years......Jeremy is no threat to society, he hasn't put a foot wrong while being inside...alls he wants is to be heard fairly....

Tis Chardo night mertol....what a lovely grape..

Chardo it will be beith gal,i started on the 1st season of Monk last night patti, the pilot,Mr Monk and the Candidate, Adrian Monk would crack this case within the hour .

[ajross]

ajross just wondering why you are not enjoying the book is it too sad.

Haha, no, sadness isn't something that I tend to worry about! The opposite in fact, i'm finding it rather self-indulgent, I can understand a man feeling pain and needing to deal with that but i feel that he is exposing a lot himself as a way of dealing with his grief, he continually talks about his selfish way of dealing with the events and people involved and I'm finding this to be another selfish act, as well as a good character assassination of JB. I think he is well within his rights to hate JB, and i don't blame him in the slightest. But... he has details he could reveal that explain his belief, he just refuses to publish them. He is complaining about sensationalist newspapers while creating a mystery only he can solve.

[mertol22]

Haha, no, sadness isn't something that I tend to worry about! The opposite in fact, i'm finding it rather self-indulgent, I can understand a man feeling pain and needing to deal with that but i feel that he is exposing a lot himself as a way of dealing with his grief, he continually talks about his selfish way of dealing with the events and people involved and I'm finding this to be another selfish act, as well as a good character assassination of JB. I think he is well within his rights to hate JB, and i don't blame him in the slightest. But... he has details he could reveal that explain his belief, he just refuses to publish them. He is complaining about sensationalist newspapers while creating a mystery only he can solve.

I find some of what you say a little strange because did not colin later forgive jeremy saying he was just as much a victim as those who died.

[Patti]

Chardo it will be beith gal,i started on the 1st season of Monk last night patti, the pilot,Mr Monk and the Candidate, Adrian Monk would crack this case within the hour .

Is he alive? 

I am reading the "Pattern of Murder" by famous criminologist Nigel Morland...

[ajross]

I find some of what you say a little strange because did not colin later forgive jeremy saying he was just as much a victim as those who died.

I have yet to finish the book, if you are refering to something that is in it Mertol then that is why I've tried to state that I am only going by as far as I have got. I think I should clarify one thing. The fact they were killed is indeed sad, however, that does not mean that the book will make me sad as I am reading it in a completely detached way.

But to make one other point, after having written the part that I have read, I think that you are kind of saying what I was getting at. Cloin has carried out a very public grieving process which has consequently led to (in part as well as his studies) his recovery. Part of that recovery is to possibly forgive JB but to also see him as a victim (of his parents attitude and the established church) and he has been able to do this thanks (in part) to the destruction of JBs character.

I personally think that Colin comes across as a very shallow womaniser who is a little self-obsessed. The language he uses to describe Sheila's birth mother is somewhat creepy, as well as constantly being surrounded by a collection of ex-girlfriends and lovers doting on him. But if he has a voice people will listen and that is why the book was published in the first place. This will sound incredibly harsh but i think he plays a little on the tragedy and this is exactly what he accuses others of doing.

Does any of that make sense???

[mertol22]

I have yet to finish the book, if you are refering to something that is in it Mertol then that is why I've tried to state that I am only going by as far as I have got. I think I should clarify one thing. The fact they were killed is indeed sad, however, that does not mean that the book will make me sad as I am reading it in a completely detached way.

But to make one other point, after having written the part that I have read, I think that you are kind of saying what I was getting at. Cloin has carried out a very public grieving process which has consequently led to (in part as well as his studies) his recovery. Part of that recovery is to possibly forgive JB but to also see him as a victim (of his parents attitude and the established church) and he has been able to do this thanks (in part) to the destruction of JBs character.

I personally think that Colin comes across as a very shallow womaniser who is a little self-obsessed. The language he uses to describe Sheila's birth mother is somewhat creepy, as well as constantly being surrounded by a collection of ex-girlfriends and lovers doting on him. But if he has a voice people will listen and that is why the book was published in the first place. This will sound incredibly harsh but i think he plays a little on the tragedy and this is exactly what he accuses others of doing.

Does any of that make sense???

Then both colin and jeremy were both womanisers, i have no problems there i would be more concerned if they were not , my hardback version of colins book published in 1994  some 9 years or so after the murders, so there were 9 years of all of colins thoughts bottled up , it may have been better to have released his book earlier, thats my take.

[mertol22]

Is he alive? 

I am reading the "Pattern of Murder" by famous criminologist Nigel Morland...

Tony Shalhoub  is alive and well patti, when are you not reading a book ? have you got more books than me ??

[Jane]

I imagine Colin was the last person in the world that Neville and June would have wanted Sheila to marry, he wasn't "one of us" and I think initially they would have felt uncomfortable with him, but still, I think they may have breathed a sigh of relief when they married.

[ajross]

Then both colin and jeremy were both womanisers, i have no problems there i would be more concerned if they were not , my hardback version of colins book published in 1994  some 9 years or so after the murders, so there were 9 years of all of colins thoughts bottled up , it may have been better to have released his book earlier, thats my take.

I think all those bottled up thoughts were in the first draft he began writing shortly after the murders, this is a more planned, considered and mapped out response so, for example, he could've refrained from calling Sheila's birth mother 'sexy' which I find inappropriate and offensive given the subject matter, he seemed almost to use his references to her as a way of expressing some attraction.

[Patti]

I have yet to finish the book, if you are refering to something that is in it Mertol then that is why I've tried to state that I am only going by as far as I have got. I think I should clarify one thing. The fact they were killed is indeed sad, however, that does not mean that the book will make me sad as I am reading it in a completely detached way.

But to make one other point, after having written the part that I have read, I think that you are kind of saying what I was getting at. Cloin has carried out a very public grieving process which has consequently led to (in part as well as his studies) his recovery. Part of that recovery is to possibly forgive JB but to also see him as a victim (of his parents attitude and the established church) and he has been able to do this thanks (in part) to the destruction of JBs character.

I personally think that Colin comes across as a very shallow womaniser who is a little self-obsessed. The language he uses to describe Sheila's birth mother is somewhat creepy, as well as constantly being surrounded by a collection of ex-girlfriends and lovers doting on him. But if he has a voice people will listen and that is why the book was published in the first place. This will sound incredibly harsh but i think he plays a little on the tragedy and this is exactly what he accuses others of doing.

Does any of that make sense???

AJ it makes perfect sense to me.......Another good post...

[ajross]

And Mertol, I'm not trying to argue with you, it is purely my opinion and interpretation.

[Patti]

Tony Shalhoub  is alive and well patti, when are you not reading a book ? have you got more books than me ??

Mertol

My brain has had it!...It wont absorb things anymore. It only has a small Megabyte capacity....What I learn today, has gone tomorrow and, sometimes the hard disc gets wiped out completely and it goes empty for a while...My brain can only focus on one thing at a time, it's needs a good repair, but sadly it new parts are hard to find. It holds a great deal of knowledge about many different things and it surprises me from time to time, but on the whole, is has a short term memory loss. In about 5 years time it will remember things that I have wrote on this forum, but when tomorrow comes, I can't remember what was discussed. There are triggers that might jog my memory, but I have no idea if that memory is correct.......Ha! This is the real me...and, this forum is helping me to repair me parts....lol 

[mertol22]

Mertol

My brain has had it!...It wont absorb things anymore. It only has a small Megabyte capacity....What I learn today, has gone tomorrow and, sometimes the hard disc gets wiped out completely and it goes empty for a while...My brain can only focus on one thing at a time, it's needs a good repair, but sadly it new parts are hard to find. It holds a great deal of knowledge about many different things and it surprises me from time to time, but on the whole, is has a short term memory loss. In about 5 years time it will remember things that I have wrote on this forum, but when tomorrow comes, I can't remember what was discussed. There are triggers that might jog my memory, but I have no idea if that memory is correct.......Ha! This is the real me...and, this forum is helping me to repair me parts....lol 

Sounds like your glass of chardo is getting low

[mertol22]

And Mertol, I'm not trying to argue with you, it is purely my opinion and interpretation.

its ok , colins book is very touching in places they are the best parts what you want to hear like a finger cut healing, where one day he walking down the hill to the twins grave in the snow to roar with laughter upon looking at a built snowman nearby.

[ajross]

I wish I had made a note of where it was but I seem to remember Colin saying June was found on the bed