Author Topic: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF  (Read 248076 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #945 on: June 29, 2012, 11:27:PM »
It has been said several times that people believe Wilkes concludes that a decision was too close to call. I have to disagree, the final few chapters weigh heavily against Bamber, I'd like jb's opinion

mertol22

  • Guest
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #946 on: June 29, 2012, 11:32:PM »
It has been said several times that people believe Wilkes concludes that a decision was too close to call. I have to disagree, the final few chapters weigh heavily against Bamber, I'd like jb's opinion

Is there a book on the murders does not go against him ?

Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #947 on: July 01, 2012, 08:28:PM »
It's interesting that Colin Caffell says that on his first date with Sheila she recounted a story of bunking out of boarding school, hitching hiking back late at night and having to 'persuade' the driver not to assault her but also that shortly after the relationship began she had to have an abortion.

Offline Nuala

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1542
  • I am not a number
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #948 on: July 01, 2012, 08:30:PM »
It's interesting that Colin Caffell says that on his first date with Sheila she recounted a story of bunking out of boarding school, hitching hiking back late at night and having to 'persuade' the driver not to assault her but also that shortly after the relationship began she had to have an abortion.


The poor girl had a lot of trauma in her short life, didn't she?

Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #949 on: July 01, 2012, 10:06:PM »
It seems that she went into Norwich and then went back to the school alone and she 'bunked' frequentl. To save her bus fare she decided to hitch, the man that picked her up warned her about the dangers of hitchhiking alone late at night and then tried to attack her in his car in a side road. Colin doesn't go into too much detail but states that she argued and he drove the rest of the way back. It is very vague but I deduce from that he took her back to the school. The anecdote itself is odd and I wonder if she told him the full story!

Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #950 on: July 02, 2012, 12:46:PM »
Hi ajross

Thank you for your feedback much appreciated.

I prefer not to think about what might have happened in the scenario you describe.

Have any of the books you've read touched on June's mental illness in 1959 caused by adopting Sheila (confirmed in Dr Ferguson's wit stats) adoption pscychology, attachment disorders or adoption reunions ie Sheila's reunion with her birth mother?

So far I have only read the Wilkes book which made scant reference to June's condition, if I remember correctly it was alluded to in one of the first few chapters. I suspect though from what I have read of Colin's book that he may well go into more detail. from the prologue (which is as far as I have got, sorry, it's a slow process reading in my household! Ernest, my son, takes up most of my time) he seems to be writing in order to defend Sheila and set straight a lot of what was written about her and there have already been several disparaging comments. I will continue to read a little more each day and let you know if this is the case.

Offline Patti

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13193
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #951 on: July 02, 2012, 04:57:PM »
So far I have only read the Wilkes book which made scant reference to June's condition, if I remember correctly it was alluded to in one of the first few chapters. I suspect though from what I have read of Colin's book that he may well go into more detail. from the prologue (which is as far as I have got, sorry, it's a slow process reading in my household! Ernest, my son, takes up most of my time) he seems to be writing in order to defend Sheila and set straight a lot of what was written about her and there have already been several disparaging comments. I will continue to read a little more each day and let you know if this is the case.

I have enjoyed reading your comments also AJ....I'm looking forward to reading what you say about Colin's book....Which is for sale again on Amazon, this is the hardback one. In search of rainbows end...I really enjoyed his book, it not onlu made me cry, it give me a good insight on Sheila's mind and his own..... :) :) :) :) :)

mertol22

  • Guest
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #952 on: July 02, 2012, 08:20:PM »
Hi Patti, ive read halfway to chapter 7 of claire powells book ,Murder at Whitehouse Farm,i did note on page 12 of chapter 1 , Julie appeared suspicious and hard edged, still rough but will post later on in week.

Offline Patti

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13193
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #953 on: July 02, 2012, 08:39:PM »
Hi Patti, ive read halfway to chapter 7 of claire powells book ,Murder at Whitehouse Farm,i did note on page 12 of chapter 1 , Julie appeared suspicious and hard edged, still rough but will post later on in week.

Mertol :) Looking forward to the reviews. I did a review of Scott's book today. I rushed it and did not say anything about what I agreed with or disagreed with....never mind eh? I suppose you a putting a Dallas in....How many more years of viewing is there left? lol  :) :) :) :)

I have recently read Jeremy Bamber by Scott Lomax. The book is based on actual events which took place in a civil parish in a rural part of Essex on the 7th August 1985. Five members of the Bamber family were all shot dead at their farm house. At first the police suspected it was the daughter Sheila Caffell who had murdered four members of her family, then committed suicide. However, weeks later, Shelia's brother Jeremy was arrested for the crime and was found guilty of murder in 1986.

Jeremy Bamber has always protested his innocence and, had two court of appeals and is now awaiting a judicial review at the high court. Scott Lomax has researched the Bamber case well and gives the reader a fascinating insight to all the evidence that originally convicted Bamber. The evidence is delivered in each chapter and Scott cleverly, masters his own court room drama, by informing the reader of all aspects of the case. Although, the author leaves you the reader to decide and, ponder over the evidence presented; one can't help but feel a grave miscarriage of justice as been done in the Bamber case. Jeremy Bamber

mertol22

  • Guest
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #954 on: July 02, 2012, 08:49:PM »
Hi Patti, I feel as if im on fire so im hitting the sack  i hope you dont have it, the books on the murders i feel look upon as a insight as none of them reveal what we want to know, any new book published would have to offer fresh views assuming the author can get past the relatives for publication,if only a retired police officer would come forward now that would change things somewhat.

Offline Patti

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13193
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #955 on: July 02, 2012, 08:58:PM »
Hi Patti, I feel as if im on fire so im hitting the sack  i hope you dont have it, the books on the murders i feel look upon as a insight as none of them reveal what we want to know, any new book published would have to offer fresh views assuming the author can get past the relatives for publication,if only a retired police officer would come forward now that would change things somewhat.

Hope you are OK Mertol. Do you have to have their permission to write a book? I suppose you could by pass that if need be...Take care  :) :) :)

mertol22

  • Guest
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #956 on: July 02, 2012, 09:02:PM »
Hope you are OK Mertol. Do you have to have their permission to write a book? I suppose you could by pass that if need be...Take care  :) :) :)
Stealing your caption patti, ill be back, most likely later in week , a mention of their names may require a nod, ex police officers retired should not be a issue, JM might be the only block.

Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #957 on: July 02, 2012, 09:09:PM »
Hmm, blimey! Where to begin...firstly this is narratively and tecnically a very easy book to read if not particulalry well written. Somebody with the time on their hands could easily read this in a couple of hours although I accept that some people would struggle with the actual content but it is a compelling read for those with an interest in the case. This is not least because the evidence is presented by somebody with a first hand experience of the events (obviously excluding the murders) and an insight unavailable from the Wilkes book.

I have only read the first 30 pages but several points have arisen and I could easily have been annotating. Unfortunately I haven't been so I will try and remember what I wanted to raise.

First, Colin writes that Sheila was terrified of her grandmother which I find interersting as there were lots of bizarre matriarchal figures/relationships/dynamics that could have influenced the mental state of both Sheila and Jeremy. What is also interesting about this point however is the profundity of knowledge that Caffell displays. I have been married for nearly five years, I have known my wife for 18 and I could't possibly give a detailed family history akin to this! And yet, (EGAP1) he comepletely avoided the early pschological problems June suffered and only mentioned the latter ones in conjunction with Sheila and hers.

Second, he creates an incredibly specualtive and negative image of JB, stating that when he arived for a party (the night before the murders I believe) he had dyed his hair and eyebrows black and looked frightening and menacing. As well as this he goes some way to suggest that Sheila was intimidated by and terrified of JB to the point that she would not talk to him and that Colin had had his reservations even though they had once had a strong relationship.

Third, he also states that Jeremy (at the party) demonstrated his total ignorance of  Sheila's illness and yet, only a couple of days later he seems to be an authority on Sheila's past and behaviour. There really are some intriguing and compelling dialogues in the first couple of chapters.

(Before I go any further I should say that I understand my language may seem inappopriate when discussing a man who lost his ex-wife and two sons but all I am offering is an analysis of the book. Neither am I passing judgement on guilt or innocence, my personal jury is still out on that one.)

Fourth, the fact that Julie offered to identitfy the bodies is given some credence here by Colin as in one very short snippet he highligts that Julie and the twins had a very close connection, but that then decries the fact that she waited so long to expose JB if he did do it and she knew, surely she could not have held it inside for that long.

Fifth, The creation of discrepancies is evident here as Colin attributes three different quotes to JB when ringing the police. Whatever he actually said to the police, there are several different versions here and he uses 'sister' 'sheila' 'crazy' etc when quoting the telephone message to police

Sixth, the arguement with June and Nevill is given a different dimension here by Colin. He very much builds up a terse and broken relationship between the two adopted children ( explained in some detail by the refusal to give Sheila a church wedding, a white dress, a limosine and to almost try and appropriate their soon to be born child) and their parents. He then goes in to some detail about the arguement that night (albeit from JBs words) and he states that they "were going to make arrangements to take custody of the children from her and place them with a young Christian family as foster-parents, in a nearby village. By doing that it would also enable them to see more of the boys themelves." I believe this arguement happened...because they were resentful of Colin from the beginning as he was poor and not good enough, he restricted the visits due to June's religious rhetoric, Daniel had become a vegetarian and the day of the killings Colin had confronted June and Nevill about both of these things. The two boys are depicted here as being physically and emotionally afraid to stay at the farm without their father the day of the murders.

Ultimately the worst thing for him and to read is the enormous power of hindsight, he paints a picture of images, messages and signals which he failed to heed and led to him losing his sons. Sheila was effectively lost as demonstrated by his response when the police told him, but his children it seems could have been saved if he only followed his instincts.


Offline ajross

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 538
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #958 on: July 02, 2012, 09:11:PM »
Sorry, just realised how long that post was, whoops!

Offline Patti

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13193
Re: Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF
« Reply #959 on: July 02, 2012, 09:59:PM »
Sorry, just realised how long that post was, whoops!

Brilliant post ajross. Never mind the length, it was lovely to read and was well written. Writing skills are my down fall. :( 

It is strange how different people interpretate things differently. You talk about the party night at Colin's where he suggested that Sheila was intimidated and terrified of  Jeremy. Yet he also states that Sheila had nothing to do with anyone that night, she sat and said nothing apart from her asking to go home....It was Jeremy that took her home with Julie...then they returned to the party....I thought there was a bit of contradiction there from Colin.  BTW, hope you got your shelves up OK... :) :) :)