How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[vidvic]

I've never believed that there was conversation the night of the murders about the children being taken into care because, as you say, their Dad was more than capabale to have them.

I've always felt this conversation was fabricated by Jeremy.

Did you come to this conclusion before or after you read the ccrc refusal? As obviously this was nothing to do with the submissions?

[Roch]

Was it not fostering that was allegedly discussed, as opposed to being taken in to care?

Either way, I do not believe that Jeremy Bamber would invent this as a reason to suggest (or imply) Sheila 'went berserk'. 

It's too convoluted and flaky.  I'm not buying it.

[Patti]

I'm sure one of the family confirms something like this in one of their statements. I think it was Colin's mother that said, that she would not have let this happen.

[jon]

I've never believed that there was conversation the night of the murders about the children being taken into care because, as you say, their Dad was more than capabale to have them.

I've always felt this conversation was fabricated by Jeremy.

Another cunning move by him , he would have known that Colin had care of them , so why would he mention something that could so easily be rebuffed ? A bit like when he said ' i left the gun on the settle ' , when he could easily have said ' i left the gun in the gun cupboard ' !!

[vidvic]

Was it not fostering that was allegedly discussed, as opposed to being taken in to care?

Either way, I do not believe that Jeremy Bamber would invent this as a reason to suggest (or imply) Sheila 'went berserk'. 

It's too convoluted and flaky.  I'm not buying it.

Ok, so why would they discuss 'fostering' when again I ask you, was it June & Neville's call to make? When support was already in place?

[maggie]

The only person who has ever mentioned the twins being put into care is Jeremy bamber. June & Nevill couldn't have done it even if they had wanted to as it wasn't their call to make, especially as they were living with their father at the time.

Vidvic, I thought there is a statement which talks about June looking around for day fostering for the boys..  I will have to check that.

[guest154]

Did you come to this conclusion before or after you read the ccrc refusal? As obviously this was nothing to do with the submissions?

Before.
The first time I heard of this case wasn't the CCRC submissions.

[vidvic]

Another cunning move by him , he would have known that Colin had care of them , so why would he mention something that could so easily be rebuffed ? A bit like when he said ' i left the gun on the settle ' , when he could easily have said ' i left the gun in the gun cupboard ' !!

I disagree completely Jon. He had to set up a seemingly believable scenario where the sights and moderator were removed but the rifle was accessible to a seemingly enraged Sheila.

[jon]

I disagree completely Jon. He had to set up a seemingly believable scenario where the sights and moderator were removed but the rifle was accessible to a seemingly enraged Sheila.

Why ?

[JackiePreece]

Did you come to this conclusion before or after you read the ccrc refusal? As obviously this was nothing to do with the submissions?

 

[vidvic]

Vidvic, I thought there is a statement which talks about June looking around for day fostering for the boys..  I will have to check that.

Yes, I think that is possible as that is what was in place as I said just now, only I wouldn't describe it as fostering, more home help.

[vidvic]

Before.
The first time I heard of this case wasn't the CCRC submissions.

Must have been a dream come true, being already interested in the case AND having access to the ccrc refusal. 17 reasons it was refused you say?

[maggie]

I've never believed that there was conversation the night of the murders about the children being taken into care because, as you say, their Dad was more than capabale to have them.

I've always felt this conversation was fabricated by Jeremy.

So mat do you believe jeremy had a personality disorder eventho he has been found not to have any such thing.  Do you believe that any person without a personality dissorder can gaily say 'tonights the night' and rush off to shoot his entire family.  He would have to look these people in the eye as he shot them mat. Please  explain how Jeremy Bamber found he could do this, could you?

[guest154]

Must have been a dream come true, being already interested in the case AND having access to the ccrc refusal. 17 reasons it was refused you say?

I wouldn't say I was interested in it. I'd read about it in the early 90's and it had stuck in my mind. Then I heard that this case would be coming to the office - that must have been november last year when I first heard that so  I read up again on it a little.

Yeah, 17. Think they cal them 'points of concern'.

So mat do you believe jeremy had a personality disorder eventho he has been found not to have any such thing.  Do you believe that any person without a personality dissorder can gaily say 'tonights the night' and rush off to shoot his entire family.  He would have to look these people in the eye as he shot them mat. Please  explain how Jeremy Bamber found he could do this, could you?

There are hundreds of killers that have done the same as he did.

[Nuala]

The only person who has ever mentioned the twins being put into care is Jeremy bamber. June & Nevill couldn't have done it even if they had wanted to as it wasn't their call to make, especially as they were living with their father at the time.

With respect, I disagree. Sheila was greatly dependent on her parents' financial support.

June and Nevill bought and owned the luxury flat in London where Sheila lived with the twins. Sheila was on benefits and rarely worked, she could never have afforded this flat had her parents not financed it.

Sheila's lifestyle with her friends, who Powell calls the 'Gorgeous Girls', the clothes Sheila wore to the weekly glamour parties with lines of coke on the table that Powell states Sheila's friends told her Sheila attended - all of this was subsidised by support from Nevill and June.

This, in my opinion, suggests that June and Nevill would have had considerable influence over Sheila's and the twins lives.