How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[JackiePreece]

Buddy I think even in the Documentary CTSB Anne Eaton was described as Miss Marple

Her behaviour after the murders was every bit as strange as Jeremys

[maggie]

That's a very valid point.
I have known people do really quite extraordinary things at suicide scenes, both before and after the emergency services have arrived.  When someone commits suicide, the surviving relatives often finds what follows deeply invasive, and while they're grieving they aren't always rational either.

I've known relatives to hide completely bizarre things that have no relevance at all to what has happened to their loved one.  It's possible that they are just desperate to preserve their memory, I suppose.

People behave in very strange ways when they 're shocked. Suicide is utterly appalling to the people left behind. It is so dreadfully difficult to ever come to terms with.

[lookout]

Digressing from this case,but to my mind still has the same implications as Sheila,and women like her,is the latest sad news about the woman from Wandsworth who today,murdered her two babies because she was suffering from post-natal depression.
Far more research should go into the reasons why some " hormonal " women,kill. If this problem is either ignored or overlooked,it can,and does lead to drastic results.

[maggie]

Digressing from this case,but to my mind still has the same implications as Sheila,and women like her,is the latest sad news about the woman from Wandsworth who today,murdered her two babies because she was suffering from post-natal depression.
Far more research should go into the reasons why some " hormonal " women,kill. If this problem is either ignored or overlooked,it can,and does lead to drastic results.

That is so true lookout. It has always happened, we are more aware of it today because it used to be hushed up in the past. I don't know why it was thought unlikely that a woman with schizophrenia, an illness which has a high suicide rate was not capable of killing her children.  Considering her symptoms and hallucinations around her children, it was waiting to happen. However, to accuse Sheila of murder is so wrong, personally I feel it started as a suicide by Sheila taking her children with her and she may have been discovered by June or Ralph. 

[lookout]

I agree Maggie.as besides Sheila being ill,she was also indoctrinated by June with her bible episodes. June also being a bit on the odd side as well with an obvious misunderstanding just how desperate Sheila's illness was when she spoke openly on adopting the boys.
I do think that was the complete turning point that tipped Sheila over the edge. Anyone with an understanding of paranoid schizophrenics knows that they are capable of such murders/killings. Be it that she was only slightly built,but would have had the strength of ten men,coupled with a hormonal imbalance along with the imbibement of cannabis and medication,presents a cocktail as powerful as any discus-thrower.

[mike tesko]

I have no doubt at all that Sheila shot at and killed other victims, but I do not think she fired the second shot under the chin which killed her, photographic evidence taken at the scene by police proves that Sheila could only have shot herself once (lower entry wound). I think that once the original shot was fired, the external bleeding ceased very quickly, but the damage caused internally ensured that she was still bleeding inside...

[vidvic]

Buddy,it's clear that none of the odious family liked,nor trusted each other either,as there was much squabbling after the deaths as to who died first which would indicate who,in the family,was in line for their legacy. Because it wasn't established which member of the family died first, there was over a decade of who gets what. ! Yes,I know only too well what sort of a family that Jeremy was up against. Contrary to belief,Jeremy wasn't like that and was probably the black sheep of the family because he wasn't as money orientated as the rest of them.

This is a joke?

[Roch]

Buddy,it's clear that none of the odious family liked,nor trusted each other either,as there was much squabbling after the deaths as to who died first which would indicate who,in the family,was in line for their legacy. Because it wasn't established which member of the family died first, there was over a decade of who gets what. ! Yes,I know only too well what sort of a family that Jeremy was up against. Contrary to belief,Jeremy wasn't like that and was probably the black sheep of the family because he wasn't as money orientated as the rest of them.

Lookout, please exert caution when describing people linked to the case.  The family are victims of a tragedy, regardless of how any financial wranglings played out in the aftermath of the incident.

[vidvic]

I have no doubt at all that Sheila shot at and killed other victims, but I do not think she fired the second shot under the chin which killed her, photographic evidence taken at the scene by police proves that Sheila could only have shot herself once (lower entry wound). I think that once the original shot was fired, the external bleeding ceased very quickly, but the damage caused internally ensured that she was still bleeding inside...

What photographic evidence proves this?

[mertol22]

I agree Maggie.as besides Sheila being ill,she was also indoctrinated by June with her bible episodes. June also being a bit on the odd side as well with an obvious misunderstanding just how desperate Sheila's illness was when she spoke openly on adopting the boys.
I do think that was the complete turning point that tipped Sheila over the edge. Anyone with an understanding of paranoid schizophrenics knows that they are capable of such murders/killings. Be it that she was only slightly built,but would have had the strength of ten men,coupled with a hormonal imbalance along with the imbibement of cannabis and medication,presents a cocktail as powerful as any discus-thrower.

Many factors may have played a part in Sheila s breakdown, remember Daniel and Nicholas were not asked to pray at the foot of the bed they were told not by their mother but by June .

[vidvic]

I agree Maggie.as besides Sheila being ill,she was also indoctrinated by June with her bible episodes. June also being a bit on the odd side as well with an obvious misunderstanding just how desperate Sheila's illness was when she spoke openly on adopting the boys.
I do think that was the complete turning point that tipped Sheila over the edge. Anyone with an understanding of paranoid schizophrenics knows that they are capable of such murders/killings. Be it that she was only slightly built,but would have had the strength of ten men,coupled with a hormonal imbalance along with the imbibement of cannabis and medication,presents a cocktail as powerful as any discus-thrower.

The only person who has ever mentioned the twins being put into care is Jeremy bamber. June & Nevill couldn't have done it even if they had wanted to as it wasn't their call to make, especially as they were living with their father at the time.

[maggie]

lookout, even today many people have strange attitudes to mental illness, in 1985 there was even more ignorance among the general public. In 1985 there was a massive lack of understanding and paranoid schizophrenia was  little understood and tended to be hidden away.  I don't really think it's fair to consider June and Ralph thoughtless when suggesting some sort of fostering but were possibly trying to find the best answer for all concerned.  They apparently had little idea of how sick Sheila was, as in fact Jeremy states in an interview (guardian?).

[Roch]

The only person who has ever mentioned the twins being put into care is Jeremy bamber. June & Nevill couldn't have done it even if they had wanted to as it wasn't their call to make, especially as they were living with their father at the time.

Hasn't some document recently come to light regarding this?

[vidvic]

Hasn't some document recently come to light regarding this?

As far as I'm aware there was social worker support for Sheila and June, Nevill and Sheila had put in place support for Sheila in Essex, all which was obviously known to Colin, but the twins could not be placed in care, as Jeremy claims, as Colin was their father and perfectly capable of supporting them as he was already doing.

[guest154]

As far as I'm aware there was social worker support for Sheila and June, Nevill and Sheila had put in place support for Sheila in Essex, all which was obviously known to Colin, but the twins could not be placed in care, as Jeremy claims, as Colin was their father and perfectly capable of supporting them as he was already doing.

I've never believed that there was conversation the night of the murders about the children being taken into care because, as you say, their Dad was more than capabale to have them.

I've always felt this conversation was fabricated by Jeremy.