How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[Buddy]

Bear in mind that the house had recently been redecorated, yet no marks were found on the recently painted window.
I suppose it could be argued that Jeremy had already shot everyone at 10 pm, and then exited through the window knocking the latch back into place.

[haughton]

patti,for certain anatomical  reasons limbo dancers are always male, work it out

[JackiePreece]

I have read that a hacksaw blade was found at the scene by a relative sometime after the murders.
I am wondering why the EP didn't find it at the time, also, why was it left lying about!. If JB had used it to gain access to the house to commit the crime, would he have left it there?
Why was it left to the relatives to produce it along with the moderators ?

                      notice on the inside of the cubicle door of a public convenience

                        BEWARE OF LIMBO DANCERS

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[Patti]

The front of the house is denoted Red, and the side with the kitchen is denoted White. Opposite Red and White are Green and Black respectively. The statement of WPc Julia Jeapes seems to reference colours incorrectly.

On entry via the external door on the White side, there was a door to the kitchen on the right (Red) and a door (not bolted) to the room with the gun cupboard to the left (Green). Straight ahead, there was apparently visible a third external door (bolted) on Black side. The nearby staircase provides access to the upstairs office and a storeroom. The police couldn't go via that storeroom to the rest of the house, as the connecting door was secured on Red side. The main staircase (to the bedrooms) can be accessed from the front door (on Red side). The kitchen has a second door to a corridor that leads to the main staircase and front door. The kitchen also has doors to a room (on Black side) behind the kitchen (the pantry) and to a third staircase, which also provides access to the main first floor.

Hi Reader, nearly missed your post....I will have to study this, for I am not good at absorbing things easily......Am I right in saying there were 4 doors leading form the kitchen....God knows why I want to know this....but it helps me to think....

[Patti]

patti,for certain anatomical  reasons limbo dancers are always male, work it out

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[Buddy]

Interesting lookout. Why would someone who is contemplating on suicide put her knickers to soak, put a clean nightie on, yet no clean knickers, then shoot herself after she has shot her family?

It has been suggested that she showered to cleanse herself of her sins....?

I see nothing wrong in Sheila putting her knickers in to soak, as this may have been habitual, and a practice she normally did.
Perhaps she did not take enough knickers with her for a weekend visit. Don't how often girls changed their underwear in them days or even today.
 Perhaps that after soiling her knickers she felt the need to shower, and noticed the Pargeter rifle. Hmm

[lookout]

Buddy,the query about the drawers and " bloody " water is whether it was menstrual blood or had Sheila used them to wipe blood from a particular area/person before putting them into a bucket. But why would Anne Eaton take something like that which may well have been used/needed.? DNA could still have been taken.

[haughton]

Patti,  what does lolo mean ?

[Patti]

Buddy,the query about the drawers and " bloody " water is whether it was menstrual blood or had Sheila used them to wipe blood from a particular area/person before putting them into a bucket. But why would Anne Eaton take something like that which may well have been used/needed.? DNA could still have been taken.

That's right. Ann Eaton was so ready to hand over any evidence in relation to Jeremy, but failed to hand over two pairs of blood soiled knickers in one bucket and a pair of jogging bottoms in another....Like you say lookout she took them home....why?

[Buddy]

Although I think that JB never had a fair trial I am really sceptical of this photo.
It seems there are oodles of them about, yet none have been made public.
I would love Mike to shoot me down in flames, but remain unconvinced that this photo exists.
All the clandestine meetings that Mike has had from one end of the country to the other has produced no further evidence, in fact it has muddied the water.
Everything that is now posted has been discussed before, and we are now regurgitating it, nothing new! Perhaps folks should read ALL the statements that are available so we have a serious debate.

[Buddy]

Buddy,the query about the drawers and " bloody " water is whether it was menstrual blood or had Sheila used them to wipe blood from a particular area/person before putting them into a bucket. But why would Anne Eaton take something like that which may well have been used/needed.? DNA could still have been taken.

At that time Ann thought it was a murder/suicide, and thought she was doing what was right.
It was only later that Robert had a different theory.
It is clear that Robert disliked Jeremy.

[lala]

At that time Ann thought it was a murder/suicide, and thought she was doing what was right.
It was only later that Robert had a different theory.
It is clear that Robert disliked Jeremy.

That's a very valid point.

I have known people do really quite extraordinary things at suicide scenes, both before and after the emergency services have arrived.  When someone commits suicide, the surviving relatives often finds what follows deeply invasive, and while they're grieving they aren't always rational either.

I've known relatives to hide completely bizarre things that have no relevance at all to what has happened to their loved one.  It's possible that they are just desperate to preserve their memory, I suppose. 

[lookout]

Buddy,it's clear that none of the odious family liked,nor trusted each other either,as there was much squabbling after the deaths as to who died first which would indicate who,in the family,was in line for their legacy. Because it wasn't established which member of the family died first, there was over a decade of who gets what. ! Yes,I know only too well what sort of a family that Jeremy was up against. Contrary to belief,Jeremy wasn't like that and was probably the black sheep of the family because he wasn't as money orientated as the rest of them.

[lookout]

It would not have been in Jeremy's interest to have killed any of his family at all,as he'd have known that any money going to him he'd have relinquished as soon as the cuffs were put on,so where was his motive.? If anyone,it was Sheila herself who had motives a'plenty,as well as a deranged mind.

[Buddy]

Buddy,it's clear that none of the odious family liked,nor trusted each other either,as there was much squabbling after the deaths as to who died first which would indicate who,in the family,was in line for their legacy. Because it wasn't established which member of the family died first, there was over a decade of who gets what. ! Yes,I know only too well what sort of a family that Jeremy was up against. Contrary to belief,Jeremy wasn't like that and was probably the black sheep of the family because he wasn't as money orientated as the rest of them.

I don't think that the family was odious, but were persuaded by Robert.