The very best of luck to Jeremy

[Roch]

but then she came forward with a phone call at first.

She withheld her name/information.

But it was traced back to her, and then the fight began to get to the truth.

Very interesting Mat.  Why then, was she portrayed as walking in to the cop shop to spill her guts?

[mertol22]

Personally I think she's more concerned with losing her job by the revelation that she was involved with crime in her early life and in being involved in the Bamber case.

Looking after No1 so to speak ? that sounds like mugford

[guest154]

Very interesting Mat.  Why then, was she portrayed as walking in to the cop shop to spill her guts?

She did walk in and spill her guts. (It just took some persuading and some harsh deal making from what i've heard.)

but I dont know enough and i can't say much more. If anyone here has a direct line to Mugford then you're more than welcome to tell her to actually reply to me, or anyone else who has contacted her on my behalf. Feel free to tell her what I've told you. About the anoymous phone call made from 65246.

I'm sure you'll peak her interest. I'm DESPERATE for contact with her.

[maggie]

It's somewhat amusing that the only person out of all these people referred to, who has passed a polygraph, is 'The liar'. 
'The Liar' passes the lie detector test.  He passes testing for psychopathy.  He passes testing for impression management and he passes testing for self deception. 
Yet he is still the villain, like some Moriarty-type genius.

I so agree with you rochy. It makes me see red the way the guilty camp ignore all of this. If he has passed all these test, many of them 27 times, why do people think they know better. I cannot believe a person without any of these traits could possibly carry out this crime and then coolly meet the police at WHF later that night and to me that is the crux.  Idon't know what happened that night, who shot who but I cannot see how on earth Jeremy Bamber was capable of carrying out this crime.

[G]

Well as I have said before. People will believe what they want to believe. Don't let the facts get in the way. Once a person forms an opinion of something it is very hard to get them to change that opinion.

[Patti]

Personally I think she's more concerned with losing her job by the revelation that she was involved with crime in her early life and in being involved in the Bamber case.

I think she has a great deal to lose, if ever she told the world she had lied.  Think of the damage it would do to her.

She escaped England to get away....She now has a new life, there is no way she would want to lose that.....She would be responsible for an innocent man being in jail for 27 years....She would be one hated woman.

Am I on the right track here....

[Roch]

She did walk in and spill her guts. (It just took some persuading and some harsh deal making from what i've heard.)

but I dont know enough and i can't say much more. If anyone here has a direct line to Mugford then you're more than welcome to tell her to actually reply to me, or anyone else who has contacted her on my behalf. Feel free to tell her what I've told you. About the anoymous phone call made from 65246.

I'm sure you'll peak her interest. I'm DESPERATE for contact with her.

This so called harsh deal making has never been mentioned before?  It's funny how paperwork suddenly comes to light and all of a sudden, walking in to the cop shop to unburden her self of this terrible knowledge, has turned in to harsh deal making.

It makes me wonder whether if the paperwork had never come to light, we would in turn never have read the term 'harsh deal making' because we would still be being fed the voluntary version?

[mertol22]

I so agree with you rochy. It makes me see red the way the guilty camp ignore all of this. If he has passed all these test, many of them 27 times, why do people think they know better. I cannot believe a person without any of these traits could possibly carry out this crime and then coolly meet the police at WHF later that night and to me that is the crux.  Idon't know what happened that night, who shot who but I cannot see how on earth Jeremy Bamber was capable of carrying out this crime.

Maggie i share your view , are we to believe jeremy would be that stupid to commit such crimes and comply to meet the police soon after at WHF knowing fine well one just one error and he is arrested there and then.

[HMEssex]

They wanted to hear what she had to say. She didn't have to say what she did, she wasn't coerced.


So either all the essex police were lying, the raid teams, coroners, julie, most of the bamber family & there are still coverups to this day .. so that's courts, witnesses, anyone with the PII material.

Or


Jeremy Bamber is a liar.







And Rochford.
She did come forward. Suspicion was already falling on Jeremy Bamber (at least I've been told this by an offcier but he may be saying that suspicion was already falling on bamber because he's embaressed it wasn't) but then she came forward with a phone call at first.

She withheld her name/information.

But it was traced back to her, and then the fight began to get to the truth.

So on the morning of 7th Aug Julie was collected by police from her house in south London, then waited to be transferred to an Essex police car en route to be taken to Goldhanger and all that time she was as 'cool as a cucumber' not letting on that she knew her boyfriend had murdered his family even though a couple of hours earlier she had told him to go back to sleep!

She wasn't coerced?  Doesn't not charging her with theft and burglary smack of coercion, nevermind the 25K she earned from NOW during the trial?

She withheld her name and information did she?  Well, that's new, we've always been led to believe it was her mate (Battersby?) who phoned the police on Julie's behalf, now you've told us something different, which also contradicts you saying she did come forward! 

[jon]

They wanted to hear what she had to say. She didn't have to say what she did, she wasn't coerced.


So either all the essex police were lying, the raid teams, coroners, julie, most of the bamber family & there are still coverups to this day .. so that's courts, witnesses, anyone with the PII material.

Or


Jeremy Bamber is a liar.







And Rochford.
She did come forward. Suspicion was already falling on Jeremy Bamber (at least I've been told this by an offcier but he may be saying that suspicion was already falling on bamber because he's embaressed it wasn't) but then she came forward with a phone call at first.

She withheld her name/information.

But it was traced back to her, and then the fight began to get to the truth.

If you are correct here , why did EP say in 1985 that phone calls were not traceable ?

[Roch]

I so agree with you rochy

Thank you.  Jeremy Bamber's master plan to secure inheritance, involved tipping of his trainee school teacher girlfriend about the murder of his family, including two six year olds.  She then volunteers this information to police, sending him to prison.  The worst planner in the world then passes a polygraph test, psychopathy tests, an impression management test and a self deception test. 

Paperwork comes to light which shows Mugford didn't volunteer...

Alarm bells should be ringing.

Mat, it doesn't sound like you spoke to the same police officer as Sparkfilms on 2011.

[guest154]

If you are correct here , why did EP say in 1985 that phone calls were not traceable ?

It depends where the phone came from. Itemised billing certianly was available in 1985. So if Mugford had made the call from a business..........

So on the morning of 7th Aug Julie was collected by police from her house in south London, then waited to be transferred to an Essex police car en route to be taken to Goldhanger and all that time she was as 'cool as a cucumber' not letting on that she knew her boyfriend had murdered his family even though a couple of hours earlier she had told him to go back to sleep!

She wasn't coerced?  Doesn't not charging her with theft and burglary smack of coercion, nevermind the 25K she earned from NOW during the trial?

She withheld her name and information did she?  Well, that's new, we've always been led to believe it was her mate (Battersby?) who phoned the police on Julie's behalf, now you've told us something different, which also contradicts you saying she did come forward! 

I never said she came forward without pressure.....the point I'm making is that she came forward after disccusions.

Thank you.  Jeremy Bamber's master plan to secure inheritance, involved tipping of his trainee school teacher girlfriend about the murder of his family, including two six year olds.  She then volunteers this information to police, sending him to prison.  The worst planner in the world then passes a polygraph test, psychopathy tests, an impression management test and a self deception test. 

Paperwork comes to light which shows Mugford didn't volunteer...

Alarm bells should be ringing.

Mat, it doesn't sound like you spoke to the same police officer as Sparkfilms on 2011.

Who did Sparksfilms claim he spoke to?

[G]

I think she has a great deal to lose, if ever she told the world she had lied.  Think of the damage it would do to her.

She escaped England to get away....She now has a new life, there is no way she would want to lose that.....She would be responsible for an innocent man being in jail for 27 years....She would be one hated woman.

Am I on the right track here....

Yes especially with that newspaper article about her and JB that has just been published in her home town of Winipeg.

[HMEssex]

She did walk in and spill her guts. (It just took some persuading and some harsh deal making from what i've heard.)

but I dont know enough and i can't say much more. If anyone here has a direct line to Mugford then you're more than welcome to tell her to actually reply to me, or anyone else who has contacted her on my behalf. Feel free to tell her what I've told you. About the anoymous phone call made from 65246.

I'm sure you'll peak her interest. I'm DESPERATE for contact with her.

You're obviously some sort of freak

[mertol22]

Yes especially with that newspaper article about her and JB that has just been published in her home town of Winipeg.

Like a modern day pony express so to speak.