Could Someone other than Jeremy or Sheila have comitted the murders at WHF?

[andrea]

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

[Elizabeth]

Police find a den in a nearby copse, where someone had been sleeping rough, around the time of the shootings...

Here is yet another twist in the tale, of who might have been responsible, for killing the family...

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

Hmm, most interesting! Perhaps the idea of a third-party carrying out the shootings is not so far-fetched after all. I have been pondering this theory quite a lot lately (with reason, of course), and the more i think about it, the more it does add up (i am thinking specifically of one or more individuals when i say this.) It certainly IS possible. I know everything points to Sheila having committed the murders, but now i am convinced that "other persons" may have actually carried them out. If so, then the person(s) in question thought they had got away with the perfect crime.

[Kaldin]

That kind of puts paid to the idea that Sheila was alive in the kitchen and then went upstairs and killed herself. It also means the theory of the re-enactment is out of the window.

[Elizabeth]

Kaldin, i am having a think about that one . Will get back to you on that.

[bb2010]

Police find a den in a nearby copse, where someone had been sleeping rough, around the time of the shootings...

Here is yet another twist in the tale, of who might have been responsible, for killing the family...

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

Hmm, most interesting! Perhaps the idea of a third-party carrying out the shootings is not so far-fetched after all. I have been pondering this theory quite a lot lately (with reason, of course), and the more i think about it, the more it does add up (i am thinking specifically of one or more individuals when i say this.) It certainly IS possible. I know everything points to Sheila having committed the murders, but now i am convinced that "other persons" may have actually carried them out. If so, then the person(s) in question thought they had got away with the perfect crime.

If there was another person then I guess that person has got away with the perfect crime.

[Kaldin]

Police find a den in a nearby copse, where someone had been sleeping rough, around the time of the shootings...

Here is yet another twist in the tale, of who might have been responsible, for killing the family...

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

Hmm, most interesting! Perhaps the idea of a third-party carrying out the shootings is not so far-fetched after all. I have been pondering this theory quite a lot lately (with reason, of course), and the more i think about it, the more it does add up (i am thinking specifically of one or more individuals when i say this.) It certainly IS possible. I know everything points to Sheila having committed the murders, but now i am convinced that "other persons" may have actually carried them out. If so, then the person(s) in question thought they had got away with the perfect crime.

If there was another person then I guess that person has got away with the perfect crime.

What could have been their motive?

[bb2010]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

[mike tesko]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

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What about double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck - these have never been satisfactorily been explained?

[Kaldin]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

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What about double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck - these have never been satisfactorily been explained?

I haven't seen those so I don't know what they look like.

[bb2010]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

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What about double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck - these have never been satisfactorily been explained?

I suppose we could look at the Julie Mugford statement which explains the involvement of a third party.

[Elizabeth]

If there was another person then I guess that person has got away with the perfect crime.

Not necessarily. If Jeremy's case is referred back to the court of appeal, and a fresh investigation is conducted through a retrial, then who knows what else they may uncover and what other charges might be brought against individuals. I am only speculating.

[Elizabeth]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

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What about double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck - these have never been satisfactorily been explained?

Double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck? What could that possibly indicate, Mike?

[Newbury1]

I don't think there was a third person, I think it clouds the issue.

Similarly, Jeremy's current lawyers have not pushed for it - I think it was Di Stefano who spoke of the underworld connections and I don't think it really works.

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What about double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck - these have never been satisfactorily been explained?

Double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck? What could that possibly indicate, Mike?

Hi Elizabeth, There is more on this subject under a previous post titled "Circular Burn Marks on Back of Ralph Bambers Neck" see page 3. Its an interesting subject and in my view support "another" person theory!

A previous post 1 Feb from me read -
 
Scenario no. 3

Has a theory ever been put forward on two murders entering whf, JB and an accomplice - one taking the children out the other dealing with the parents, with Shelia then being held and forced into a suicide position?

One using the loaded .22 Anchutz (10 bullets accounted to have been fired from this weapon) at whf and the other using what "Mike Tesko" has previously posted on and refers to as a "unique weapon", this weapon being found in the area by someone shortly after the murders and handed in to the police. Could this weapon have fired the other 15 bullets?

Burn marks on the back of Nevills neck apparently matching the barrel configuration of the unusual .22 rifle barrel over a shotgun barrel.

[Sparkfilms]

There was speculation at the time that this was an execution style murder by hitmen. This was one of a number of theories that was being discussed by the locals.

I'm not sure there is anything in it myself.

As far as the drug connections went around Tollesbury back then, from what I'm aware, it was never on the scale of operations that led to the shoot-up in Rettendon some years later.

I find myself visualising proceedings again, and as I do so, it seems a more likely scenario with Shelia at the trigger.

Two hitmen....Shelia in a state of wildness...or cool and calculated Jeremy? Or, a cool and calculated Jeremy accompanied by McDonald?

Second option ticks the most boxes still for me. 

[Elizabeth]

Double circular marks found on the back of Ralph's neck? What could that possibly indicate, Mike?

Hi Elizabeth, There is more on this subject under a previous post titled "Circular Burn Marks on Back of Ralph Bambers Neck" see page 3. Its an interesting subject and in my view support "another" person theory!

A previous post 1 Feb from me read -
 
Scenario no. 3

Has a theory ever been put forward on two murders entering whf, JB and an accomplice - one taking the children out the other dealing with the parents, with Shelia then being held and forced into a suicide position?

One using the loaded .22 Anchutz (10 bullets accounted to have been fired from this weapon) at whf and the other using what "Mike Tesko" has previously posted on and refers to as a "unique weapon", this weapon being found in the area by someone shortly after the murders and handed in to the police. Could this weapon have fired the other 15 bullets?

Burn marks on the back of Nevills neck apparently matching the barrel configuration of the unusual .22 rifle barrel over a shotgun barrel.

Hi Newbury1, thanks for that! I will check the post out now.

There was speculation at the time that this was an execution style murder by hitmen. This was one of a number of theories that was being discussed by the locals.

I'm not sure there is anything in it myself.

As far as the drug connections went around Tollesbury back then, from what I'm aware, it was never on the scale of operations that led to the shoot-up in Rettendon some years later.

I find myself visualising proceedings again, and as I do so, it seems a more likely scenario with Shelia at the trigger.

Two hitmen....Shelia in a state of wildness...or cool and calculated Jeremy? Or, a cool and calculated Jeremy accompanied by McDonald?

Second option ticks the most boxes still for me. 

I can see why you would come to the conclusion that Sheila was the killer, it does make logical sense. I can't help but think otherwise, though. But of course, i could be wrong. Thanks for your input!