Could Someone other than Jeremy or Sheila have comitted the murders at WHF?

[Elizabeth]

Police find a den in a nearby copse, where someone had been sleeping rough, around the time of the shootings...

Here is yet another twist in the tale, of who might have been responsible, for killing the family...

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

Hmm, most interesting! Perhaps the idea of a third-party carrying out the shootings is not so far-fetched after all. I have been pondering this theory quite a lot lately (with reason, of course), and the more i think about it, the more it does add up (i am thinking specifically of one or more individuals when i say this.) It certainly IS possible. I know everything points to Sheila having committed the murders, but now i am convinced that "other persons" may have actually carried them out. If so, then the person(s) in question thought they had got away with the perfect crime.

If there was another person then I guess that person has got away with the perfect crime.

What could have been their motive?

I can think of one  The same motive that has been discussed in relation to something else. Sorry if i am being vague here; i would like to offer my theory but i am not sure how much you can say without getting into trouble, if you get my meaning? 

[Kaldin]

Police find a den in a nearby copse, where someone had been sleeping rough, around the time of the shootings...

Here is yet another twist in the tale, of who might have been responsible, for killing the family...

and didnt the police also say mike that they saw a scruffy hunched up figure walking away from the back of whitehouse farm, while they were there. i cant understand why the police didnt stop and take him into custody for questioning at that point. or at least try and trace him later to ask why he was on the grounds at whf

Hmm, most interesting! Perhaps the idea of a third-party carrying out the shootings is not so far-fetched after all. I have been pondering this theory quite a lot lately (with reason, of course), and the more i think about it, the more it does add up (i am thinking specifically of one or more individuals when i say this.) It certainly IS possible. I know everything points to Sheila having committed the murders, but now i am convinced that "other persons" may have actually carried them out. If so, then the person(s) in question thought they had got away with the perfect crime.

If there was another person then I guess that person has got away with the perfect crime.

What could have been their motive?

I can think of one  The same motive that has been discussed in relation to something else. Sorry if i am being vague here; i would like to offer my theory, but i am not sure how much you can say without getting into trouble, if you get my meaning? 

I understand that. It should be remembered that many people associated with this case are still alive and the libel laws could apply.

Motives for murder usually include money, revenge, hatred, or the desire to stop someone spilling the beans about something.

[Elizabeth]

You're exactly right, Kaldin, on both counts. I could be way off track here with this "third-party" theory (though after reading a lot about this case, it all adds up in my mind). But the reason i bought it up was because, if i am correct, i would hate to see the person (or persons) responsible get away with such a heinous crime, just as much as seeing an innocent man incarcerated for a crime in which he didn't commit.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Did the car belong to him, or had he borrowed/hired it?

What would be the significance of that?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

It's just that there's mention of this person on the topic 'The Dodgy HitchHiker'

Oh I see. Sorry I haven't read about that. Is the thread on here? I will go take a look. Thanks.

[Hartley]

It's just that there's mention of this person on the topic 'The Dodgy HitchHiker'

Oh I see. Sorry I haven't read about that. Is the thread on here? I will go take a look. Thanks.

It can be found here: http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php/topic,161.msg377.html#msg377

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Thanks Hartley

[Justice2011]

Yes, it's quite possible someone other than his sister did it. But it certainly wasn't Jeremy. I'm certain of that.

[Hartley]

Yes, it's quite possible someone other than his sister did it. But it certainly wasn't Jeremy. I'm certain of that.

But there is no evidence to support a third party being involved.

What are you basing your stance that you are certain JB didn't carry out the murders? I agree that there are a number discrepancies in the case, but nothing which is concrete evidence proving his innocence.

[Justice2011]

It's a gut feeling I have. And I'm pretty good at gut feelings.

Take the Joanne Yeates murder. When the landlord was arrested, I knew it wasn't him. Against probably 95% of the UK population.

People were saying ridiculous things like, 'you only have to look his [the landlord's] combover to see that he did it.'  Or, 'he's a weirdo, he's never married.' Stupid comments like that.

I had the killer down as a man living very nearby, a next door neighbour. A strong man in his 30s. I have other reasons why I think the man on remand is the killer, but I won't go into that.

As regards Bamber, I have that gut feeling again. It would take a very unstable man (or woman) to cmmit those murders (she was unstable). And what would Jeremey gain?  He isn't a stupid person, he would know the finger would point at him.

Did he really hate ALL HIS FAMILY? I doubt it very much.  It takes real hate, or a massive mental instability, to do those murders. I don't think he is capable of that.

Also, where is the real evidence against him?

[Hartley]

It's a gut feeling I have. And I'm pretty good at gut feelings.

Take the Joanne Yeates murder. When the landlord was arrested, I knew it wasn't him. Against probably 95% of the UK population.

People were saying ridiculous things like, 'you only have to look his [the landlord's] combover to see that he did it.'  Or, 'he's a weirdo, he's never married.' Stupid comments like that.

I had the killer down as a man living very nearby, a next door neighbour. A strong man in his 30s. I have other reasons why I think the man on remand is the killer, but I won't go into that.

As regards Bamber, I have that gut feeling again. It would take a very unstable man (or woman) to cmmit those murders (she was unstable). And what would Jeremey gain?  He isn't a stupid person, he would know the finger would point at him.

Did he really hate ALL HIS FAMILY? I doubt it very much.  It takes real hate, or a massive mental instability, to do those murders. I don't think he is capable of that.

Also, where is the real evidence against him?

Unfortunately a gut feeling doesn't hold up in court. The evidence presented in the '86 court trial was sufficient for a 10-2 Jury verdict. The quality of the evidence presented is another matter and obviously discussed at length in these and other forums, articles etc.

One thing which really sticks out to me is that it's generally accepeted that the police investigation was a bit of a mess (understatement), with errors and inconsistencies and incompetance amongst those involved.
The defence and pro-Bamber supporters are insisting that evidence was withheld, the police framed Bamber etc, etc. If the investigation was such a mess then I find it difficult to believe that the same people would then be capable of putting together a water tight false case against Bamber.

But my gut feeling doesn't hold up any better than yours does.

[Justice2011]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDp_tqUysI

[Hartley]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDp_tqUysI

Yes I've seen it before, what about it? A cleverly edited and suggestive video.

[horseydave]

Yes, The druggies jeremy owed money too. The balforts saw there opportunity a full month after the murders, and NOT at the time. they never made a squeek for over a month

[bb2010]

The trouble with the 3rd party element is that Jeremy hasn't argued for that himself. His argument is that Sheila did it. There is no mention of any third party involvement on his website.