Alleged photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound to her neck.

[mike tesko]

I do not believe it's Sheila as we have been told JBs campaign team had an input into the documentary.  They have complained about us displaying graphic photos, surely they would not have complained about us if they allowed this graphic photo/video of Sheila. Mike surely you can just ask JB himself to clarify

It is an image of Sheila, and which members of his Campaign team had input into the documentary? What input did they have, all of it, or just a little bit of input? Who else had input? Jeremy has not seen the video footage of the crime scene because CCRC won`t let him look at it, there were other official images in the same documentary, and I doubt that the Campaign team provided those. Let's put it this way, Jeremy would not dismiss the grainy image in the same way some of his supporters have done, he would have no reason to because it genuinely is Sheila. I know he has seen pictures of Sheila once she arrived at the mortuary, because he has told me so himself, and he has mentioned how blood had smeared and smudged all over Sheila`s face as a result of Sheila`s body being transported from the scene to the mortuary, but he was not describing  what is shown in the image posted on the forum (which is a still taken from a video of the crime scene) - on the other hand, Jeremy has previously mentioned how during a training exercise, the police were disrespectful to the bodies of his family, and this implies that he is aware that police practised CPR  on Sheila`s body...

In any event, I have had it on good authority from someone who was there at the time, that this is what police videoed at the scene during the training exercise and to be perfectly frank I don`t give two hoots whether Jeremy and his campaign team think its not authentic, because I know it is. I also know that if this photographic evidence had been available before the date of submission it would almost certainly formed part of his application. If CCRC refer his case without this, it can still be included at any subsequent appeal - if CCRC refuse to refer the case based on latest submission, this video photographic evidence will be the basis of a new application, it is a win win situation for Jeremy, albeit it might mean he has to spend a bit longer in the shovel...

Don`t let anyone mislead you regarding the authenticity of this image which shows all this additional blood after CPR was applied during a training exercise...

It`s the real deal...

[Newbury1]

Thanks Jackie

I will look forward to your update.

Me too!!

[JackiePreece]

Mike I am just going by what Aunt Agatha Jeremys ex girlfriend said about the Campaign team having an input.  I just suggested you asking Jeremy so we know one way or another definately

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

I must admit that in my opinion this is a "photograph" of Sheila. Just by looking at other crime scene photos that are available, I can see so many key similarities. The nightdress looks the same, the nose the eyebrows, the hair. I believe it is her. However, I am not sure that it will form any part in the current submissions that are with the CCRC. The second series of Great Crimes and Trials, of which the Bamber episode was the eight I believe, originally aired in 2008. Has this image remained undiscovered for all this time until Jackie saw it? Mind you this is possible because often the "official" people aren't looking as hard as they should be and it takes an "ordinary" person to see what they missed.

[Newbury1]

I must admit that in my opinion this is a "photograph" of Sheila. Just by looking at other crime scene photos that are available, I can see so many key similarities. The nightdress looks the same, the nose the eyebrows, the hair. I believe it is her. However, I am not sure that it will form any part in the current submissions that are with the CCRC. The second series of Great Crimes and Trials, of which the Bamber episode was the eight I believe, originally aired in 2008. Has this image remained undiscovered for all this time until Jackie (edit: Andrea) saw it? Mind you this is possible because often the "official" people aren't looking as hard as they should be and it takes an "ordinary" person to see what they missed.

Hi Janet, we are all entitled to our opinion, and I respect yours, but until I see any evidence to the effect that it is a real picture of SC (for example a statement from the producer of the programme) I will hold my current view, that it is not a real picture of SC.

But taking the point you have touched on in relation to it being in the public domain for so long, do you not think that anyone who considers themselves an authority on this case (and has, one would assume, watched these documentaries as part of evidence gathering or seeing how the event is portrayed) would not have picked up on this before.

The way it looks to me is as if, following Andreas recent thread on the youtube video, all of a sudden this grainy photo suddenly fits in with a CPR theory and off we go!

Could I ask you if you believe a real picture of SC in that bloodied state would be shown on national TV - considering the feelings of those who knew her, and the possible legal implications?

[ngb1066]

Hi Janet, we are all entitled to our opinion, and I respect yours, but until I see any evidence to the effect that it is a real picture of SC (for example a statement from the producer of the programme) I will hold my current view, that it is not a real picture of SC.

But taking the point you have touched on in relation to it being in the public domain for so long, do you not think that anyone who considers themselves an authority on this case (and has, one would assume, watched these documentaries as part of evidence gathering or seeing how the event is portrayed) would not have picked up on this before.

The way it looks to me is as if, following Andreas recent thread on the youtube video, all of a sudden this grainy photo suddenly fits in with a CPR theory and off we go!

Could I ask you if you believe a real picture of SC in that bloodied state would be shown on national TV - considering the feelings of those who knew her, and the possible legal implications?

Nick - I am not sure it is a real picture of Sheila but on balance I think it probably is.  I suspect it is a still from a video.  As a matter of interest, what do you consider to be the possible legal implications of showing this picture?

[andrea]

I think the picture of sc is genuine.

Taken at the mortuary prior to post mortem, hence all the blood on her face; got there when her body was moved from whf.

No headblock because pm had'nt started.

[Newbury1]

Nick - I am not sure it is a real picture of Sheila but on balance I think it probably is.  I suspect it is a still from a video.  As a matter of interest, what do you consider to be the possible legal implications of showing this picture?

Hi Ngb - is that a 50:50 position then  .

I was actually going to ask you the legal position, but wouldn't permission's need to be obtained from those that were close (ish) to her (her biological Mum, Colin etc.) for this to be shown on national TV.

If permission were needed I find it difficult to believe those permission's would have been given? - after all it's pretty awful photo (if real) to stick in a relatively low budget docudrama! - and esp. if the programme was lets say favouring JB as that would implicate SC in the murders

I appreciate there are some pretty awful photos of SC on the forum, so is the forum crossing a legal line or does it not matter?

[andrea]

Did the forum just go down? or is it my pc on the blink?

[ngb1066]

Hi Ngb - is that a 50:50 position then  .

I was actually going to ask you the legal position, but wouldn't permission's need to be obtained from those that were close (ish) to her (her biological Mum, Colin etc.) for this to be shown on national TV.

If permission were needed I find it difficult to believe those permission's would have been given? - after all it's pretty awful photo (if real) to stick in a relatively low budget docudrama! - and esp. if the programme was lets say favouring JB as that would implicate SC in the murders

I appreciate there are some pretty awful photos of SC on the forum, so is the forum crossing a legal line or does it not matter?

Nick  - I am around 65/35 in favour of the picture being genuine.

I do not believe there is any legal basis preventing the use of the picture in a documentary or on a forum such as this.  The only point which might in theory be raised is copyright, but I doubt if Essex Police would try to restrain publication on the grounds that their copyright in the photograph was infringed.  I do not see any way in which Sheila's family could prevent publication.

[ngb1066]

Did the forum just go down? or is it my pc on the blink?

Yes it did, for a few minutes.  It crashed as I was posting a message.  There does seem to be a problem somewhere as this seems to happen quite often.

[Newbury1]

Did the forum just go down? or is it my pc on the blink?

The forum does seem to crash from time to time. One recent evening it was down for ages (and had to be fixed) - maybe the end is nigh!!  - and andrea you are way off topic  :D

See Roch thread Off Topic - Why was the forum down for hours?

[Newbury1]

Nick  - I am around 65/35 in favour of the picture being genuine.

I do not believe there is any legal basis preventing the use of the picture in a documentary or on a forum such as this.  The only point which might in theory be raised is copyright, but I doubt if Essex Police would try to restrain publication on the grounds that their copyright in the photograph was infringed.  I do not see any way in which Sheila's family could prevent publication.

ngb - that's a fair explanation, and one I will consider in my belief of the photo - cheers!

However; the fact that it has only recently been used in a CPR theory still raises doubts in me.

IF...... it is a real picture of SC with all the blood about her (and at let's say the mortuary pre pm), the blood smearing could have been caused by her face rubbing on the inside of the body bag, rather than the administering of CPR!

[tyler]

ngb - that's a fair explanation, and one I will consider in my belief of the photo - cheers!

However; the fact that it has only recently been used in a CPR theory still raises doubts in me.

IF...... it is a real picture of SC with all the blood about her (and at let's say the mortuary pre pm), the blood smearing could have been caused by her face rubbing on the inside of the body bag, rather than the administering of CPR!

I have to admit that I did not think that the picture was of Sheila at first.But if you study the clearer photo,it is possible to identify the moles on Sheilas neck as being in exactly the same place.I doubt the documentary makers would have paid that much attention to detail on an actor?

[JackiePreece]

I suppose if the picture is genuine the forum cannot be in trouble anymore for showing graphic pictures as the photo in question is about as graphic as you could get showing blood smeared all over her face. One rule for one set of people and one rule for another. It is a horrible photo/video shot and what possessed a policeman to mess about on the roof of WHF that morning  just amazes me.  You would think the sight of those bodies that morning would have left the police officers attending in a state of shock